The Bryce Trade is Finally Complete. Who Won the Trade? Panthers vs Bears

[shaqattaq]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

And they say what we have been saying, it takes a good oline, a good running game, good wrs and good play calling to get him to top 10-12ish.  Not ideal

Unfortunately, this is my current take on him as well. It's a blueprint that is hard to maintain without some damn good roster manipulation and drafting. We all know that Bryce's next contract is looming whether he is THE guy or just A guy.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

32 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's what you should do when you've invested as much into a guy as we have Bryce. At the end of the day, even if he doesn't work out we should've built a nice foundation for the next guy to hopefully build upon.

Yes.  I hope Bryce is the answer and he keeps improving but if not the offense is setup for someone else to come in and win. 

[frankw]

46 minutes ago, Icege said:

Great find! Thanks for the link.

For folks that are hesitant to click, they immediately start with Bryce. It's kind of funny though how much the conversation mirrors the Huddle. One person citing all of Bryce's stats showing improvement and progress, and the other ultimately circling back to, "He's just too small." Especially these two exchanges...

 

 

To be fair, Derrick does provide more pointed criticisms like the lack of the screen game in Carolina, his issues with Bryce's timing in the short game, etc. A lot of it though seemed to ultimately circle back to, "too small."

I guess in the end, that's what it boils down to. There's going to be fans that are eager to see Bryce perform well and look at different indicators of performance to track that potential development. Then there's going to be fans that, while they might no longer believe that Bryce can't be an NFL starter, they still believe that his size is going to prevent him from ever being a top-10 QB (which could potentially make the trade for him "worth it").

Most we can do is sit and wait.
 

Unfortunately the size talk was prominent before the draft and it is going to remain throughout his career until Bryce Young can prove he will successfully overcome that with great mechanics footwork accuracy and decision making. Still as it remains now we've seen the Panthers remove their first overall pick from the field and bring out an over the hill veteran for both the QB sneak and a hail mary attempt. And we can't just dismiss that as completely irrelevant. Still. 99% of the folks in this fanbase knows Bryce being successful means our franchise being successful. So they want him to have a great season in 2025 because everyone can agree we are tired of being the butt of jokes in league circles.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, shaqattaq said:

 Bryce had jackshit and frikin Reich (a proven loser) as HC! Poor bastard didn't stand a chance! THIS is his prove it season.

reality is the piling on of Frank Reich is just the standard huddle angle we take of putting all blame on someone after the fact.  

as I was an OG Frank hater before it was cool to be......now the swing goes too far the other way and people will claim I am a Frank defender.  Frank Reich was the definition of a .500 middle of the road NFL coach.  He technically was a winning coach and above .500 coming here but he is and was NFL average. 

we were the biggest joke in a decade.....not because of Frank Reich (a dude who was going to do what he does in the NFL) but because he was paired with a dude who couldn't do NFL basics and Frank was forced to play him.  That's not Frank being a loser.  That's a bad org around Frank. 

 

[PantherGuy]

I think Bryce is our franchise QB, and he will be better than Caleb. But Bryce alone cannot outclass those 5 players.

[Navy_football]

I just can't agree with the "it's this year or bust" idea. Other than the 35 years old possession reciever that was never considered fast or a #1, who else in that room has done anything in the league? I guess Renfrow. IF, he can return to his old state. And that's a big IF, since he hasn't played in years. TMac is not a guarantee. At least not until he's at least taken a snap. 

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I just can't agree with the "it's this year or bust" idea. 

It's that way due to how the contract situation is set up

[Navy_football]

18 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It's that way due to how the contract situation is set up

You're right and I completely get it. But his stats could suffer if his receivers aren't making plays. Receivers have to help their QB. Bryce lost the most yards from dropped passes in the NFL last season. And that's after being benched for 5 games. That has to be taken into account. One drop could mean the difference in a game, and has. And not just drops, but making plays on hard to catch passes are needed. And YAC. Potential is there, but they haven't proven anything yet. 

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, PantherGuy said:

I think Bryce is our franchise QB, and he will be better than Caleb. But Bryce alone cannot outclass those 5 players.

Especially since you had your pick of Williams, Daniels and Maye. Just like Stroud before, we’d probably be OK with the trade up had we picked Stroud instead. Just because the Bears may mess up some picks doesn’t mean the trade is better. They could have take Jalen Carter instead of the T who hasn’t been great.

[jfra78]

3 hours ago, Navy_football said:

You're right and I completely get it. But his stats could suffer if his receivers aren't making plays. Receivers have to help their QB. Bryce lost the most yards from dropped passes in the NFL last season. And that's after being benched for 5 games. That has to be taken into account. One drop could mean the difference in a game, and has. And not just drops, but making plays on hard to catch passes are needed. And YAC. Potential is there, but they haven't proven anything yet. 

I see we are already building excuses for Bryce.  They invested everything in him, it's time to put up or shut up.  No more excuses.

[SOJA]

the athletic football show is the best NFL podcast to listen to hands down IMO, Mays is awesome. I really miss Tice though he was such a great cohost and him and Dane Brugler's prospects to pros pod was an awesome way to keep track of draft prospects as the CFB season went along 

[mrcompletely11]

21 hours ago, CRA said:

reality is the piling on of Frank Reich is just the standard huddle angle we take of putting all blame on someone after the fact.  

as I was an OG Frank hater before it was cool to be......now the swing goes too far the other way and people will claim I am a Frank defender.  Frank Reich was the definition of a .500 middle of the road NFL coach.  He technically was a winning coach and above .500 coming here but he is and was NFL average. 

we were the biggest joke in a decade.....not because of Frank Reich (a dude who was going to do what he does in the NFL) but because he was paired with a dude who couldn't do NFL basics and Frank was forced to play him.  That's not Frank being a loser.  That's a bad org around Frank. 

 

That was a wild ride after training camp that year.  Reich had that thousand yard stare, Fitt had to come out trying temper expectations because they knew they were in for it.  Then Reich tries to bench him, overridden but alas bryce hurt his ankle at some point.

 

Since there is little media and no fans at camp this year, the preseason games should be pretty telling.  I just dont think there is any way DC doesnt get bryce as many game reps as possible to avoid the disaster of last year 

[carolinaperks]

I don't really get all the people saying the Bears decisively won the trade. They had the bottom ranked offense last year when supposedly Caleb Williams was being drafted to the "ideal situation". None of their draft picks are massively contributing. We both missed the playoffs. Looks like a wash so far to me.

[Mr. Scot]

22 hours ago, PantherGuy said:

I think Bryce is our franchise QB, and he will be better than Caleb.

That, to me, is the key point of the whole thing. 

Both teams ended up with their choice of franchise quarterback. The question is who got the better of the two.

Yes, they were given more tools to build with, but what did they do with them? That argument will play out over the next several seasons.