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14 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I'm not worried about this, just because the Texans did it doesn't mean the whole league will

If the whole league doesn't do it, it creates more of a problem, because there is no way some other's won't follow suit.

Once a handful of teams start to do it, all agents are going to start demanding it and we're going to see more 2nd round holdouts than ever, and they rarely did before this.

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1 hour ago, frankw said:

Things like this are only going to become an inevitability over time anyways. NIL has opened the door for it and honestly I don't blame these young players one bit. This money is a drop in the bucket compared to profits the league makes. No pity party for the owners here.

The only thing I'd say in relation to the Panthers is going forward we better start drafting well because if you're going to get held over a barrel by a draft pick they better damn well not end up being a bust.

Could be wrong but I'd think it would make injury risks like Brooks undraftable.  

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5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Again, it's not about billionaires coughing up their money, guaranteed contracts wouldn't cots a penny more out of the owners pockets as teams have to spend their cap room every season.  The only times they don't spend it all, it's to roll it over into the next year to spend more than the cap, so they're still spending the same amount of money in the end.

Fully guaranteed contracts for all players wouldn't work in the NFL

Not having them actually works to the benefit of both teams and players, as it's how teams manage the cap and it allows players to get to re-negotiate new guaranteed money faster.

Plus, with how often those role players get churned through because they show flashes but don't pan out, would really limit how much teams would be willing to spend on them and give more than 1 or 2 year contracts.  It would create even more of an unbalanced pay structure to where the stars would make even more of a percentage of the cap than they already do.

To be honest I don't know enough on how the NFL CAP structure works as far as how much Salary vs Singing bonus goes and how much comes from the team owners purse. Maybe there just shouldnt be a CAP i dont know. 

I just know players only getting 51% and owners 49% is imbalanced and I want these young guys to make as much money as possible considering what they put there mind and body through for our viewing pleasure. 

Major other sports leagues have figured in out so I get what your saying. I am just saying fug the owners and Goodell making 60 mil a year when these guys are the ones putting it on the line, that's probably the most socialistic view I have in my life so it is what it is........

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2 hours ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

To be honest I don't know enough on how the NFL CAP structure works as far as how much Salary vs Singing bonus goes and how much comes from the team owners purse. Maybe there just shouldnt be a CAP i dont know. 

I just know players only getting 51% and owners 49% is imbalanced and I want these young guys to make as much money as possible considering what they put there mind and body through for our viewing pleasure. 

Major other sports leagues have figured in out so I get what your saying. I am just saying fug the owners and Goodell making 60 mil a year when these guys are the ones putting it on the line, that's probably the most socialistic view I have in my life so it is what it is........

Its crazy football is the most risky to your health but doesn't have guaranteed contracts.  Baseball is is the easiest on your body and you get stuff like this... https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/40430232/bobby-bonilla-day-2024-new-york-mets-pay-119-million-every-july-1-ohtani-contract-deferred-money

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I get the shock of them not following the norm but not at the outcome. The rookie wage scale still dictates how much and given how small it is outside of the first so what? I'm fine with the rookies all getting guaranteed contracts since they already did it to the more expensive ones in the first. The players honestly dropped that ball in negotiations. The cap keeps going up, ridiculous contracts for guys who aren't even great go up and ticket prices keep going up so I don't really care.

 

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This means little to nothing. That 8 or 900,000 over 4 years isn't changing anything about decisions. Rather irrelevant 

Ladd McConkey was the 34th pick last year. His contract was 92% guaranteed.

Contract Value: $9,995,186 

Fully Guaranteed Money: $9,185,943

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ngl, I like the idea of rookie contracts being guaranteed. It's not like the kids are able to negotiate with anybody else.

idk enough about the finances and accounting tricks to give any type of expert opinion, but that's never stopped anyone here before 😛

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8 hours ago, Waldo said:

I get the shock of them not following the norm but not at the outcome. The rookie wage scale still dictates how much and given how small it is outside of the first so what? I'm fine with the rookies all getting guaranteed contracts since they already did it to the more expensive ones in the first. The players honestly dropped that ball in negotiations. The cap keeps going up, ridiculous contracts for guys who aren't even great go up and ticket prices keep going up so I don't really care.

 

Honestly, I thought that all rookie contracts were already guaranteed.

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Amazing how the casual fan has gotten sucked into this kind of thinking. 

IMO I have no problem with hold outs or this kind of contracts. 

Look at what the Panthers just did. They just cut Clowney. After THEY gave him a 2 year contract to save money. 

Im not in to billionaires saving money. Im into players making money. 

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8 hours ago, csx said:

This means little to nothing. That 8 or 900,000 over 4 years isn't changing anything about decisions. Rather irrelevant 

Ladd McConkey was the 34th pick last year. His contract was 92% guaranteed.

Contract Value: $9,995,186 

Fully Guaranteed Money: $9,185,943

Agents will have their 1st round picks hold out until the pay structure of their contract is to their liking, not how much money they'll get or even how much is guaranteed, just the when/how they will get the money over the course of the contract.

If they're willing to recommend those players hold our, do you really think they won't do it for 2nd rounders to guarantee them an extra 10% of their entire rookie contract?

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