Blueprint, Episode 1: Dropping today at 6pm

[PanthersGTI]

Something I thought was interesting about the Horn Jr pick.  Candles didn't seem very impressed and Dan Morgan wanted "some Miami" in the room/building. I think a difference in perspective between them for late round picks. Dan valued the dang in him, Canales less interested because holes in his game. 

 

Note : all this is based on my dumbass reaction to a 10 second snippet.  

 

[WUnderhill]

Sounded like Morgan wanted to have a hype phone call moment to end the draft and nobody, including Horn, was nearly as interested in making it happen.

[rayzor]

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

McAfee again...

Looks like he was a big fan.

 

13 hours ago, Basbear said:

I forgot to mention this- When you get videos like this, why care about toxic hard knocks??

i think that's one of the things they talk about in the McAfee video. since teams are releasing stuff like this, it's cutting down on the appeal of hard knocks. 

[Mr. Scot]

13 hours ago, Basbear said:

I forgot to mention this- When you get videos like this, why care about toxic hard knocks??

Editorial control...

Some fans might prefer a raw footage, "warts and all" approach over something more team controlled.

Of course, you've also got fans (like me) whose only question is "does it involve football?"

[rayzor]

7 hours ago, PanthersGTI said:

Something I thought was interesting about the Horn Jr pick.  Candles didn't seem very impressed and Dan Morgan wanted "some Miami" in the room/building. I think a difference in perspective between them for late round picks. Dan valued the dang in him, Canales less interested because holes in his game. 

 

Note : all this is based on my dumbass reaction to a 10 second snippet.  

 

 

7 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

Sounded like Morgan wanted to have a hype phone call moment to end the draft and nobody, including Horn, was nearly as interested in making it happen.

it's easy to read too much into it.

i think at this point everyone is likely tired because this is the culmination of months of hard work and they finally get to the end and the hype is worn off. you feel good about what you've done and it's a big deal, but it's more just being able to breathe again because you realize that you haven't done it for a while. for horn, it's been all about the waiting and he finally doesn't have to wonder where he will be. 

i don't think it's anything beyond that.  i'm sure canales is happy to have horn,jr. here. i'm sure that horn is happy to be here. 

[MHS831]

13 hours ago, rebelrouser said:

I hope our first two picks do better in year one than those two. I was surprised we prioritized a rb over s considering the Brooks pick and the rico fa agency pick up. I'm glad they were true to their board and got their guys. Could be a great draft.

Drafting players off the operating table is a long-term play, as was drafting XL.  XL had the chance to make a splash, but he has raw hands and he went through some turbulence with the offense.  I was not expecting a finished product.  Now we will see what he has been doing this offseason.  

[Bear Hands]

Rewatched again - and noticed some fun stuff--

They claimed that we started engaging once Ez and JTT were picked in a row at 44-45, so LAR, AZ, HOU, CIN, & SEA were the teams we likely called before the deal at 51 w/Denver.   

Brandt goes "I texted John an offer" that's either John McKay, the Asst GM of LAR or John Schneider of SEA.  I think it was SEA, we had likely exhausted enough energy with LAR.  So my read is we said no to a trade at 50 that was in SEA's favor, and worked with DEN to get a really balanced package.  Strong work there not submitting to the Seahawks wishes.  

Then, once the focus got to the next pick - I found it super interesting.  We knew we wanted Princely - There were a few strongly identified targets by the sounds of it beginning in the 60s but Princely was the guy we really wanted.  The video was edited A LOT so that a lot of the calls and negotiations were shown before/during/after Nic's pick.

Targeting him was as soon as KC at 66 (from Sneed), or BUF's new spot at 72 as they showed us calling them and negotiating. 

Beane wanted 114+85 for 72 which is dead even on trade charts, but Dan didn't want to just give up 114 to move up.  He emphasized to "Stay patient" which was good.  Sounds like SF apparently wanted even more for 75. 

Our unnamed prospect tier was now down to 2 guys - Brandt asked about their odds at 85.  Those odds were now 41%.   You hear in the back "They've got 3 threes" -that was NE.   And, we are clearly, very tight with Wolff in NE.  He called us ahead of pick 77 to negotiate that one.  With their pick abundance, we were able to work out a more favorable deal. 

77 for 85 and 146 (5).  Not bad at all compared to giving up 85 and 114 (4) for 72 and getting the same guy.  That's how you don't overdraft.  

[Butterflyj30]

It looks like The NFL Network was really impressed with our Draft Video

 

https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1929955553276514572?t=XeN_1L3I960MAY59fbM1fA&s=19

 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjVqJL2r/

Edited yesterday at 03:43 PM by Butterflyj30

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

46 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Rewatched again - and noticed some fun stuff--

Then they claimed that we started engaging once Ez and JTT were picked in a row at 44-45, so LAR, AZ, HOU, CIN, & SEA were the teams we likely called before the deal at 51 w/Denver.   

Brandt goes "I texted John an offer" that's either John McKay, the Asst GM of LAR or John Schneider of SEA.  I think it was SEA, we had likely exhausted enough energy with LAR.  So my read is we said no to a trade at 50 that was in SEA's favor, and worked with DEN to get a really balanced package.  Strong work there not submitting to the Seahawks wishes.  

Then, once the focus got to the next pick - I found it super interesting.  We knew we wanted Princely - There were a few strongly identified targets by the sounds of it beginning in the 60s but Princely was the guy we really wanted.  The video was edited A LOT so that a lot of the calls and negotiations were shown before/during/after Nic's pick.

Targeting him was as soon as KC at 66 (from Sneed), or BUF's new spot at 72 as they showed us calling them and negotiating. 

Beane wanted 114+85 for 72 which is dead even on trade charts, but Dan didn't want to just give up 114 to move up.  He emphasized to "Stay patient" which was good.  Sounds like SF apparently wanted even more for 75. 

Our unnamed prospect tier was now down to 2 guys - Brandt asked about their odds at 85.  Those odds were now 41%.   You hear in the back "They've got 3 threes" -that was NE.   And, we are clearly, very tight with Wolff in NE.  He called us ahead of pick 77 to negotiate that one.  With their pick abundance, we were able to work out a more favorable deal. 

77 for 85 and 146 (5).  Not bad at all compared to giving up 85 and 114 (4) for 72 and getting the same guy.  That's how you don't overdraft.  

not staying "patient" and taking bad draft day trades is how we end up with DJ Johnson and Matt corral

[Bear Hands]

Just now, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

not staying "patient" and taking bad draft day trades is how we end up with DJ Johnson and Matt corral

Yep - It's a balance.  And actually targeting guys with production and being worth a damn is as well (DJJ :/).  

I'd say there's a line between guys on a tier block starting to be selected and you deciding to go up with the appropriate compensation versus what we've previously done.  Which is panicking and grabbing whichever [positional need] is available at the top of said position groups at a unnecessary cost.  

[PanthersATL]

10 hours ago, Butterflyj30 said:

It looks like The NFL Network was really impressed with our Draft Video

Upon a third watch, it looks like Dan is looking past Tepper to Dave, not looking at Tepper directly

The edit makes it look like it's a Tepper glance, but the eye angle seems off

[Gapanthersfan]

Discussing the initial player interviews, Dan said: “And how did you first come to love football?”

I am really loving Dan’s approach. He wants to know if these dudes have heart. I can’t  recall that ever being a stated point of emphasis. 
 

Edit: Never realized that Dan is a lefty. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Gapanthersfan

[MHS831]

On 6/3/2025 at 11:28 AM, MechaZain said:

I like the Teppers involvement sorry. Rather have an engaged owner and then someone falling asleep in his box seat. And I think this idea that's he's been overruling the coaches have been overblown, he's just been really bad at hiring them. Canales is his attempt at course correction by making it Dan's choice.

The "football guys" are still picked by the owner at the end of the day, there's no way around that so I'd rather the guy be into it. 

 

Absolutely.  However, when it comes down to making decisions, he needs to let the surgeons operate and not grab a scalpel because he can.  I look at it from his perspective-if he is lacking confidence in the GM (as he should have with Fitterer) or coaches (Rhule and Reich were not right for this team) then I can see some micromanagement.  Human nature.  So you make good points.

[Jay Roosevelt]

On 6/3/2025 at 11:27 PM, PanthersGTI said:

Something I thought was interesting about the Horn Jr pick.  Candles didn't seem very impressed and Dan Morgan wanted "some Miami" in the room/building. I think a difference in perspective between them for late round picks. Dan valued the dang in him, Canales less interested because holes in his game. 

 

Note : all this is based on my dumbass reaction to a 10 second snippet.  

 

If this is true I don't hate it. We could definitely use "some Miami" on this team. It's something we've lacked since Cam left. And in the 6th round, I feel like we're adding a really good return specialist if nothing else by picking JHJ.