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Evero?!?! Should he be on the Hot Seat

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MHS831 Grand Master

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I cra, but hear me out.  It would not take us too much work to run a 4-3.  I even think, with the personnel we have up front, we could be better off in a 4-3.   Nothing we have says 4-3 OLB, but look at this:

4-3 DEs:  Wonnum (6-5, 260), Scourton (6-2, 265), Jones (6-4, 265) Princely (6-4, 250 speed rusher), Incoom 6-2, 265)  They could add 5 to 10 lbs each, imo.

4-3 DTs.  Brown and Brown, Robinson and Wharton (who can play DE in some situations), Cam Jackson

4-3 MLB  Wallace (6-1, 244)  Rozeboom, Bam Scott

4-3 OLBs   This is the position that would need to be addressed.  Depth: Kris Barnes (played OLB at UCLA)

Add 2 players and sign a cut OLB as depth...

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15 hours ago, Icege said:

Evero's seat is uncomfortably warm, for sure, but I appreciate the team not scapegoating him after last season. They sunk everything into the offense and left the defense being held together by spit and duct tape.

Then lose the two leaders in DB + Shaq to start? Ugh...

I'm hoping to see more of a return to scheme now that he's got the talent to execute. Going to need a lot of luck though to get through the season healthy. DBs might not be as bad as originally feared (though a starting-caliber safety would be the cherry on top) and the DL is deep after all of the resources thrown at it... but the LB room is rough.

I don't expect to start seeing strides until midway through the season. The Bills game I think will be a big tone setter for the rest of the season for the defense.

On the other hand after last season, it would have been the best time to cut bait. We've just spent big coin all offseason on players that supposedly fit his system and if he shits the bed do our new FAs translate to other schemes for thier cost.

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Evero is a good DC I just think we severely underestimate just how poor our overall talent is on that side of the ball. We had to almost completely gut that side of the ball in order to fix the offense to save Bryce's career. Once derrick brown went down last year, we had no shot at fielding an NFL level defense and even if he stayed healthy it probably wouldn't have made that much of a difference. 

Steve Wilks did such an amazing coaching job in almost getting us to the playoffs at the end of the 2022 season that it inspired many fans and ownership to overestimate the talent on our roster. Combine that with the years of suspect drafting by Rhule and Fitter and you end up with the disaster that was 2023. Morgan and the front office have done a good job at fixing the offense and turning it into a solid unit. Next offseason I expect us to put more work into the defense and improve the depth on that side of the ball. 

The defense isn't great but Evero doesn't deserve all the blame. Alot of the blame is still on Rhule, Fitter and Tepper for the years of poor asset management and bad drafting that gutted the roster of overall talent. 

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I am not a huge fan of the 3-4, but if you are going to run it run the 3-4. This nonsense that Evero does where its two down lineman and what is supposed to be our OLBs standing up over OTs is a 4-3! If we do not have Bobby Brown at nose, DB and AShawn at tackles with our OLBs standing up, we will continued to get gashed on the ground like last year. His gimmick defense is going to get us killed again having 250 to 270lb LBs trying to anchor our run defense is on par with Phil Snow schemes. 

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12 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

I am not a huge fan of the 3-4, but if you are going to run it run the 3-4. This nonsense that Evero does where its two down lineman and what is supposed to be our OLBs standing up over OTs is a 4-3! If we do not have Bobby Brown at nose, DB and AShawn at tackles with our OLBs standing up, we will continued to get gashed on the ground like last year. His gimmick defense is going to get us killed again having 250 to 270lb LBs trying to anchor our run defense is on par with Phil Snow schemes. 

OLBs standing up is exactly what a 3-4 is. They line up with hand in the dirt in a 4-3.

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I think he gets this year to show what he can do.  Last year, we had a lot of injuries. This year, we should have some players, even if we lose one or two.  It's the first preseason game.  Some of the starters weren't even in it.  There is no scheming or game planning.  Let's see how guys do when it counts. I think we have a GM that knows a thing or two about defense.  Let it play out.

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5 hours ago, KaseKlosed said:

I'd have Ron Rivera as DC honestly at least we were respected on defense. Our defense now seems unorganized and too dependent on luck. 

Night and day difference in the front office investements. 

Since Morgan has been in the FO (5 years)....4 out of 5 first round picks have been offensive players.  The one defensive pick was a corner. Expand it out to the first 2 rounds? 7 out of the 9 picks have been offensive.  That IMO is why our D sucks so bad.   You build defenses up front.   Carolina hasn't been investing there. 

Ron's first 5 years? 3 of the 5 first round picks were defensive players.  Expand it all to include second rounders  7 of the 10 picks were defensive.  All front 7 players. 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, CRA said:

Night and day difference in the front office investements. 

Since Morgan has been in the FO (5 years)....4 out of 5 first round picks have been offensive players.  The one defensive pick was a corner. Expand it out to the first 2 rounds? 7 out of the 9 picks have been offensive.  That IMO is why our D sucks so bad.   You build defenses up front.   Carolina hasn't been investing there. 

Ron's first 5 years? 3 of the 5 first round picks were defensive players.  Expand it all to include second rounders  7 of the 10 picks were defensive.  All front 7 players. 

 

 

And a generational middle lb. 

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19 hours ago, Shotgun said:

I doubt he makes until the end of the season.

Yep

the fact that Luvu wanted to leave for almost the same money told me all I needed to know

not saying  Frankie was Luke but he was the best we had at the time. Thompson had been falling down the slide of age and injuries for a couple of years

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