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Week 1 - Panthers @ Jaguars (practice tweets, news articles, videos, etc)


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4 hours ago, CRA said:

Trevor went 14 out of 17  

Bryce went 4 out of 8 

Trevor had 3 drives.  Scored on 2 of the 3.  Zero 3 and outs. 

Bryce had 5 drives. Scored on 1.  Four 3 and outs. 

I mean, if you had to pick one in terms of rolling into the season.  The Jags starters had a better preseason. 

This also goes against the logic that has been used that it's just preseason. Wasted drives that go nowhere have been the story of this offense in the regular season more often than not for some time now.

They could flip a switch and pull a 180 out of the gate. But I surely wouldn't bet anything of value on that.

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The Athletic articles round-up

  • Panthers cut Hunter Renfrow, now he’s back as Week 1 starter: ‘It’s been a whirlwind’
    • In addition to other stuff already reported (Canales' concern with physical conditioning, AT trade, daughter watching Bluey and declining calls, etc) there's also mention that his initial deal went from $1.3M to $2.3M with another $800k in potential incentives.
      • $200k if he finishes with 40 catches
      • $200k if he reaches 500 receiving yards
      • Both totals increase to $400k if the Panthers make the playoffs
    • Mention of how while at Clemson in 2015 when he joined as a walk-on, Mike Williams fractured his neck early in the opener vs. Wofford after colliding with the base of the goal post. Hunter caught two passes after entering the game and would go on to finish his college career with two national championships and the fifth most receptions (186) in school history.
  • Derrick Brown is back — a good thing for Carolina’s defense: ‘I’m ready to get to it’
    • The article is predominantly reviewing DB's first few years with the team to highlight his growth + accomplishments. Mentioned being grateful for the hit by Cade Stover during joint practices with the Texans because he hadn't had his "bell rung in a year." He feels normal. The knee's been fine and he's dealt with the oblique strain that he started camp with.
  • Week 1 NFL Power Rankings: Eagles on top, but Packers eke closer with Micah Parsons
    • Carolina Panthers moved up from 28th to 27th.
    • "After the preseason, the Panthers believe they made the right decision in taking Tetairoa McMillan with the eighth pick. It’s part of the reason Carolina felt comfortable trading Adam Thielen back to the Vikings. Another reason was the development of 2024 UDFA wide receiver Jalen Coker, but Coker is now on IR, prompting the Panthers to sign Hunter Renfrow. Throw in 2024 first-round pick Xavier Legette, and Bryce Young will have to prove last year’s strong finish was no fluke while playing with one of the youngest starting receiving corps in the league."
  • NFL QB stock report, Week 1: Is Patrick Mahomes still in a class of his own?
    • Bryce Young ranked 21st, finished last season as #21
  • NFL Future Hits List: 32 under-the-radar names every true fan should know
    • Carolina Panthers: Corey Thornton, CB
    • "A coaching source called Thornton, an undrafted free agent rookie who made Carolina’s initial 53-man roster, the 'most consistent performer of any young guy in camp.' If the Panthers continue to face big questions about their defense this fall, Thornton, who will show up on special teams initially, could see playing time."
  • 25 most intriguing players in NFL this season: Aaron Rodgers, Travis Hunter, Micah Parsons
    • 15. Bryce Young, QB, Carolina Panthers
    • "The 2023 top pick finds himself in a precarious position. Benched early last season by rookie head coach Dave Canales, Young managed to recover, regain his job and show some signs down the stretch that suggest he might be starting to get it. But the Panthers need to see him elevate his game and deliver on a consistent level. Carolina has endured six straight double-digit loss seasons. If Young can’t spearhead a turnaround this season, owner David Tepper could be looking for his replacement next offseason."
  • Intel on all 32 NFL teams: Rome Odunze breakout, Drake Maye buzz, trade rumors and more
    • "Defensive lineman Derrick Brown has somewhat quietly been a high-impact player for a few years, and judging by conversations with those around him this season, it doesn’t sound like there’s any dropoff in sight. Brown has continued to impress this summer and should be a force, although the rest of that Panthers defense continues to need a lot of work."
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5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I am curious to see how long it takes for them to realize Hunter isn't a WR but a CB.

I think you will see Travis Hunter more on offense than defense this season .Liam Coen seems to be really impressed  w/ TH as a WR moreso than a CB 

you kind of have to pick one side or the other. if you play him both ways it will lead to fatigue & higher risks of injury.

& it's not going to be easy to defend Brian Thomas Jr. & Travis Hunter at the same time on offense.if so , it's going to take a really good secondary to keep those two from scoring ...just saying 

 

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6 hours ago, Panthering said:

I hesitate to call this game a must-win, but we should beat this team even on the road if we want to be serious this season about anything. 

 

6 hours ago, CRA said:

for one the more winnable games on the schedule, it's a bad setup for us though. 

We are sort of limping in.  Starters showed nothing in preseason to really get any excitement/confidence for week 1.   Team is sort of scrambling to get their basics in a row.  Last minute AT trade, Coker injury, now Icky injury.    Road game. 

plus side, is Jags have an equally bad defense.  And Trevor Lawerence is Dr. Jeckyl and Mr Hyde.  Game to game and sometimes series to series.  

No matter the order, Panthers need to find a way to be 3-2 through the first 5 IMO.  If they aren't best case becomes a 3-6 start I would think. 

 

That's the main deal, this is one of the winnable games on the schedule. Yes there's no such thing as a "must-win" week one, just if the Panthers lose it will take until week 6 to correct this. 

Jags have a new staff, weak roster/team, and terrible QB.

Most NFL games are close and it is on the road, it could come down to if the Fitz can kick the game winner or not. 

Panthers for the first time in what 6 years will have the same HC, GM, and QB. They have the same 9 OLmen as last year. Added 3 improved DLmen. Panthers should be able to control each line and thus with decent luck/play calling should be able to win this without me using heart meds.........

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

 

That's the main deal, this is one of the winnable games on the schedule. Yes there's no such thing as a "must-win" week one, just if the Panthers lose it will take until week 6 to correct this. 

Jags have a new staff, weak roster/team, and terrible QB.

Most NFL games are close and it is on the road, it could come down to if the Fitz can kick the game winner or not. 

Panthers for the first time in what 6 years will have the same HC, GM, and QB. They have the same 9 OLmen as last year. Added 3 improved DLmen. Panthers should be able to control each line and thus with decent luck/play calling should be able to win this without me using heart meds.........

 

 

Take the heart meds.  You know you can’t trust Carolina not to

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3 hours ago, shaqattaq said:

Dang, I forgot this was a brother vs brother showdown, at first I thought you got confused. Little bro might not even be active though.  Also... pie for the Walter Payton reference, I loved watching that man run!

Walter was a great one for sure 

the Panthers, lord have mercy, is it asking too much to not have people feel sorry for my Panthers fandom the night after opening Sunday

i absolutely hate that other teams have young QBs that grew in year 1 and they are thrilled foe year 2 while we have Young.  That’s the God’s truth.  I want him to do consistently well but my eyes do not see it.    

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