Thielen update

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Camp Fodder said:

Their game last week against the bengals was similar to ours. The offense didn’t have to do much 

they still put up 350+ yards of offense despite not having to.  

I just don't think AT fits in a functional O at this stage in his career.  Which is how we landed him.  Think he is just a vet bench player that might can make a random catch here or there.  He basically was a slot small TE that we went to over and over and over.   

[Tr3ach]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

coincidentally that is when Johnson lost his mind, interesting.  So thats 2 wrs that were like "fug this, get me out"

Johnson lost his mind with the steelers.  That's why they were trading him or cutting him.  Steelers pins the market with crazy receivers.

[kungfoodude]

35 minutes ago, frankw said:

None of this changes the fact that he is at the end of his career and he's not walking back through the door.

Besides. We needed to see Bryce without his crutch. And we have.

That's true but that wasn't what you were implying nor what you were arguing. 

I don't care one way or the othet because ultimately the W's and L's likely would remain the same. 

I just get annoyed at this jilted lover/little brother Panther fan syndrome about guys that want to leave IF they were productive here. That feeling doesn't change the facts about thoss players(Luvu comes to mind).

[AceBoogie]

47 minutes ago, CRA said:

the good fans know it is only cool to hate on the selected WRs, LBs, lineman, coordinator, etc.  Because that's totally different. 

You can criticize the entire operation. Bryce included. Here’s the truth. Bryce was a better college football player than anyone on the roster. The roster around him ain’t good enough. Period. We aren’t at a place where we can have a serious QB convo. Look at Sam last night and Baker the last two years. It’s the team, it’s the organization. Yall think it’s a coincidence that the same teams never have QB issues? 

[AceBoogie]

53 minutes ago, frankw said:

It's amusing how quickly some folks have moved from telling people to stop talking about Stroud to bringing him up in completely unrelated threads all on their own now.

At the end of the day that Texans team still made our offense look putrid back in August. There's a long season ahead. You folks dunking on the Texans may want to buckle up.

You can at me bro. Don’t be scared. We bring CJ up because of YOU. That was your shining example of what Bryce was supposed to be. Bryce been better with less. You gotta hold that L. You’re just a bitter old man that wants to keep dunking on the QB and I’m not letting you run from none of your BS. 

[Oldschool Leroy]

"out on the road today, I saw a deadhead sticker on cadillac. a voice inside my head said: never look back you can never look back"

we got what we got. tepper got Bryce, Adam got the vikes, Houston got CJ. All of us got to keep riding on.

i am looking forward to getting Coker back; and i hope Bryce and Hunter can get on the same page. that would go a long ways...

would be nice to be competitive week in and week out, regardless of the final record

[PanthersATL]

6 hours ago, Gipetto said:

He thought the grass would be greener on the other side.

They have grass?

[mav1234]

It's been said before but Thielens stats in Minnesota are IMO more about Minnesota than him. He's on a "new" team, missed the preseason, and is competing with at least 2 if not 4 receiving options that are as good or (massively in Jefferson's case) better than him. 

He might still be our number 1 in yards or something because he and Bryce had an insane connection but he'd probably be 3rd here too by end of season based on what we're seeing so far.

[SmokinwithWilly]

22 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

You can criticize the entire operation. Bryce included. Here’s the truth. Bryce was a better college football player than anyone on the roster. The roster around him ain’t good enough. Period. We aren’t at a place where we can have a serious QB convo. Look at Sam last night and Baker the last two years. It’s the team, it’s the organization. Yall think it’s a coincidence that the same teams never have QB issues? 

Here's the truth. This ain't college and it damn sure ain't Bama thats got a much better talent pool than almost anyone they played against by far other than Georgia. Players don't make the transition from college to the NFL all the time. All teams have QB issues. Certain coaches can spot QB talent like Andy Reid but those are extremely rare and a unicorn as much as a Tom Brady is. 

[csx]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

coincidentally that is when Johnson lost his mind, interesting.  So thats 2 wrs that were like "fug this, get me out"

Johnson has 3 catches for 2 teams since he was traded Who cares?

 

Minnesota made the inquiry. You are inventing narratives 

Edited 47 minutes ago by csx

[Jmac]

3 hours ago, Candler Cat said:

I've been to Minneapolis, not sure why he wanted to go back there

Likes to shovel copious amounts of snow

[CRA]

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

You can criticize the entire operation. Bryce included. Here’s the truth. Bryce was a better college football player than anyone on the roster. The roster around him ain’t good enough. Period. We aren’t at a place where we can have a serious QB convo. Look at Sam last night and Baker the last two years. It’s the team, it’s the organization. Yall think it’s a coincidence that the same teams never have QB issues? 

This is the NFL.  Being a great college football doesn't mean anything once you enter the pros.  The Golden Calf of Bristol was a great college player.  Arguable THE GOAT.  Armanti Edwards was a great college player.  

Given Bryce's limitations, you need a crazy good roster around him and scheme.  And that's not what you are looking for in a NFL QB. 

Sam has always been Sam.  At every stop.   You do some some mild growth that just comes with time/starts but Sam is forever Sam.  A well built team can get the better version which has ALWAYS existed to appear at times.  We never even attempted the Baker thing in reality.  We never gave him a shot to actually be our QB.  We set that up to fail by design (which is what we do here)

but yeah, the organization does stink.  Which is my MAIN gripe.  See my avatar.   The square peg/round whole experiment that is Bryce is yet another example of it.  You have to invest way too much around Bryce for him to be just okay.  Just look at us to date and we still can't get average offense.   He doesn't have NFL tools.  Nor the added bonus of the on field leadership/energy.  We are wasting time.  And when you waste time, you waste the good years of DB, Horn, etc. 

The offensive roster has been good enough around him under Canales.....to be better than we have been.  Bryce is what holds this thing back because you can't insert him into basic NFL offenses.  He brings those down.  And we got 2 examples of it under 2 coaches.  Great NFL prospects go about making whatever exists better.  That ain't BY.  And it never has been.  That wasn't him at Bama.  

Pointless seasons is my #1 pet peeve of Carolina.  I'll keep repeating, this has always been clearly Matt Rhule's seasons 3 but for Bryce.  We already know the answer and yet chose to waste this season.  And Matt Rhule had his defenders still clinging to him going into that year 3 too. 

[mrcompletely11]

53 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

You can at me bro. Don’t be scared. We bring CJ up because of YOU. That was your shining example of what Bryce was supposed to be. Bryce been better with less. You gotta hold that L. You’re just a bitter old man that wants to keep dunking on the QB and I’m not letting you run from none of your BS. 

forever the internet tough guy

[mav1234]

Pretty much every fan of Stroud and the Panthers acknowledges his trajectory has been down for a bit. Despite this, we have to massively subset his career and ignore HIS accomplishments for the comparison to be even roughly equal between he and Bryce. That's how much better his career has been to date.  We don't yet know for sure how his career will end but for any of you digging him I'd ask this: Would you rather have his accomplishments to date or Bryce's?