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New York Times: Is Panthers QB Bryce Young a Lost Cause

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finally getting national attention. Nothing we don't already know, but pretty eye brow raising that even the paper of record is like "yeah uh this guy sucks."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6673658/2025/09/30/qb-stock-report-bryce-young-shedeur-sanders-rankings/

There’s been added pressure to make the pick work, too. Stroud delivered an outstanding rookie season, while the Panthers fired head coach Frank Reich after his 11th game; general manager Scott Fitterer was fired after the season. Meanwhile, one of the picks the Panthers traded for Young wound up being the No. 1 selection in 2024, where Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye were among the six first-round QBs available.

So yeah, it’s understandable why the Panthers feel a sense of desperation to make it work with Young. It’s why they invested in the offensive line and used back-to-back first-round picks on wide receivers. It’s why they hired Canales, who has done nice work in the past with quarterbacks Geno Smith and Mayfield.

Young should have enough runway to at least attempt to turn it around. Veteran Andy Dalton, who turns 38 next month, is the only other quarterback on the active roster, though Hendon Hooker is available on the practice squad. Suffice to say, the Panthers owe it to themselves to see it all the way through with Young.

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But Young hasn’t kept it going. He’s completed only 60.4 percent of his passes for 753 yards, five touchdowns and three picks this season while also losing a couple of fumbles. Among qualified passers, Young ranks 30th in EPA/dropback, ahead of only Titans rookie Cam Ward, Browns veteran Joe Flacco and Bengals backup Jake Browning.

At this point, the Panthers would be all but declaring their intentions to split with Young if they benched him again. If it does reach that point, it’s also likely the Panthers would be barreling toward their eighth consecutive season with a losing record. And since owner David Tepper bought the team in 2018, he’s never employed a head coach for three full seasons, which effectively puts Canales on the clock.

This, of course, is the type of turnover that keeps organizations in constant peril. It may also lead to the breaking point that opens the door for Young to find a fresh start with another team.

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The entire offense is fugged up.  It doesn't help we have a sieve for a defense that can barely stop teams that aren't from Atlanta.

Bryce came out with physical limitations.  The play calling and design isn't helping him.  Dave wants an offense that doesn't work for Bryce.  In another thread, I said Bryce could probably do well in a Shanahan style WCO with a lot of movement and horizontal routes.

We were all sold the bill of good that Bryce was the outlier and he would play bigger and better.  We didn't see that his rookie year.  We didn't see it until he was benched.  Now we're back to an uncomfortable QB who is indecisive and can't play with anticipation.

Not a great combo.  I'm still in the camp of let Bryce suck, keep the team rolling to a top 10 pick and take another shot at the dart board of QB picks.  I'm OK (for now) letting Dave Canales pick his own QB and see what he can do.  If we have another 20 games of the poo, then we just start over again.

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But the 2025 reviews are not favorable, according to a coach, an executive and a scout who have studied Young’s performances this season. He has been downright “awful” at some points during the Panthers’ 1-3 start, according to one evaluator who was granted anonymity so he could speak openly about another team’s player. He’s looked uncomfortable in the pocket, struggled to see the field, lacked anticipation and failed to be consistently accurate.

“I don’t think he’s the guy,” another evaluator said.

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5 minutes ago, d-dave said:

The entire offense is fugged up.  It doesn't help we have a sieve for a defense that can barely stop teams that aren't from Atlanta.

Bryce came out with physical limitations.  The play calling and design isn't helping him.  Dave wants an offense that doesn't work for Bryce.  In another thread, I said Bryce could probably do well in a Shanahan style WCO with a lot of movement and horizontal routes.

We were all sold the bill of good that Bryce was the outlier and he would play bigger and better.  We didn't see that his rookie year.  We didn't see it until he was benched.  Now we're back to an uncomfortable QB who is indecisive and can't play with anticipation.

Not a great combo.  I'm still in the camp of let Bryce suck, keep the team rolling to a top 10 pick and take another shot at the dart board of QB picks.  I'm OK (for now) letting Dave Canales pick his own QB and see what he can do.  If we have another 20 games of the poo, then we just start over again.

No he couldn't - he'd even struggle in that 49ers O from a couple of years ago (before the superstars left).

His physical limitations are ridiculous.

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But the 2025 reviews are not favorable, according to a coach, an executive and a scout who have studied Young’s performances this season. He has been downright “awful” at some points during the Panthers’ 1-3 start, according to one evaluator who was granted anonymity so he could speak openly about another team’s player. He’s looked uncomfortable in the pocket, struggled to see the field, lacked anticipation and failed to be consistently accurate.

“I don’t think he’s the guy,” another evaluator said.

Bet these ***** were wanking all over him during the Draft process.

He is who I thought he was. He was never, ever going to succeed in the NFL. I was absolutely livid when we drafted him.

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12 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Why does our local paper not print something like this? We have to get a NY org to put the truth in writing?

Its nothing we haven't said on here already. AI probably put that article together from quotes on this board over the past couple of weeks alone. 

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