Canales is telling us, but we aren’t listening

[Sup]

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We could've sent a 5th and 7th to Seattle in exchange for Howell and a 6th after seeing Dalton look completely washed for two preseason games but we sat on our hands. Not saying Howell would be our answer but 99/100 Panthers fans would be foaming at the mouth to see him start over Bryce right now if we'd made that move.

He'd already be starting. We basically threw away this season by not having an option behind Young. On the plus side, this is going to definitively prove to Tepper that it's time to move on.

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, Waldo said:

There are fans still hoping to see Dalton lol so hell yes we would be doing exactly that. 

It's crazy and I just don't see anyone that doesn't deserve blame for this situation they find themselves in now. 

The relief of Giants fans to see Jameis starting this week over Russell Wilson is where we're at with Bryce. Hell, it's where most of us have been at for a long time now. Giants fans know that Winston is probably gonna throw three picks on Sunday but they'd rather see that than this  paycheck cashing version of Russ who just doesn't want to take a hit.

[Lurk21]

2 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I think we will see White at some point. Once they pull the plug, you can go with Andy and they may a game or two. However, I imagine you want to see somebody not named Bryce Young or Andy Dalton run your offense for once.

White is competent. He’s a 30 year old, very tall, athletic guy who has started before. Has plenty of arm strength and mobility. Has had good and bad games, has won and lost games. 
 

Not the future but the perfect guy to use to measure your offense- if you’re going shopping this spring. 

I agree!!

[CRA]

Even teams with the world in the palm of their hands at the QB spot like the Commanders hitting on Jayden Daniels......added Marcus Mariota and Josh Johnson this offseason.     

which is a legit backup QB in Marcus.  And then a legit practice QB with high end tools (not brain) for practice.   Carolina is in such a weird place even the PJ Walker tier of QB gets weird to have in house because while they might be bad NFL QBs, there tools and ability on a practice field blows Bryce out of the water. 

There is a reason Dalton is the backup....and our 3rd stringer this summer was who it was for a reason.  It's because Bryce lacks so much it makes things really weird to have effective backup tier players or bad randoms with NFL skill sets/tools in house. 

 

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The relief of Giants fans to see Jameis starting this week over Russell Wilson is where we're at with Bryce. Hell, it's where most of us have been at for a long time now. Giants fans know that Winston is probably gonna throw three picks on Sunday but they'd rather see that than this  paycheck cashing version of Russ who just doesn't want to take a hit.

I don’t think Russell Wilson has an effort problem.  He has a too old problem.  He never let anyone get a good hit on him.  He’d squirm around and then tackle himself before anyone got to lay the wood.

His problem is he can’t be Russell Wilson anymore.  So he’s ass.

[PanthersATL]

in the business/software world, when you buy a product there's always a bunch of people who complain that "the new tool doesn't work for us, because we do things A-B-C and the tool doesn't allow it"

so do you spend a lot of money and energy convincing the vendor to reprogram their product that's supposed to work a wide audience in order to meet your own unique needs, or do you modify your process to fit what they're giving you?

Sounds like DC is doing the latter. Can't reprogram Bryce entirely to fit his plan, so he's modifying his plan to go with what he's been given.
 

[Waldo]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The relief of Giants fans to see Jameis starting this week over Russell Wilson is where we're at with Bryce. Hell, it's where most of us have been at for a long time now. Giants fans know that Winston is probably gonna throw three picks on Sunday but they'd rather see that than this  paycheck cashing version of Russ who just doesn't want to take a hit.

Fun bad always beats hopeless bad. Some fans still turn agaisnt it or forget the big picture of the situation.

Winston will win a game after a 3 pick game though so at least they have some fun to look forward to the rest of the season. 

[raleigh-panther]

Canales is not helping the situation    I have absolutely had it   

1. Injured guards and a rotating line,  ok,   go max protect vs empty backfield  help them …including a TE in the backfield if needed  you are where you are.

2. There is zero imagination in any of this offense..,zero.  There is no rule that says you can’t have both Rico, Chuba  or start a TE  in the backfield at the same time with only 2 wide receivers 

3. The WR line up is not working.   Change it.   he keeps trotting the same lineup out there that has  not worked     I don’t give a poo what they do in practice.  Game day results is what  matters   Dropped passes…bad routes..sit them down  put in Moore if you need to   Don’t care   Find a possession receiver not named McMillan 

4  TE  Lineup is non existent in pass offense.   Change it.  Sanders ain’t it  period, end of story… drops   no,YAC   He would be 3rd string on any other team   Put the older  veteran out there with Tommy or Mitch

5. For the love of god, this is pro football, find 2 pass plays over 10 yards your QB can throw consistently and do it  and do it from a running set     If he can’t do the minimum, find someone else   or maybe, just maybe, the minimum, with less to think about  gets his head straight 

     Ps  when you need 7 yards, don’t ask him to throw it 30 to the end zone, you know he can’t   You’ve admitted it 

6  your qb is not a pocket passer   Accept it, just like you did with Baker   Move him

7. Personnel.  If you execute, you play.  If you don’t, you sit   Too many dropped passes by all of them.   Pro football requires execution 

The full  team will quit on Canales if he, who is the OC and HC, can’t fix the area he is supposed to be a ‘guru’ and ‘whisperer’ for and I don’t blame them

/end rant

 

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I think we will see White at some point. Once they pull the plug, you can go with Andy and they may a game or two. However, I imagine you want to see somebody not named Bryce Young or Andy Dalton run your offense for once.

White is competent. He’s a 30 year old, very tall, athletic guy who has started before. Has plenty of arm strength and mobility. Has had good and bad games, has won and lost games. 
 

Not the future but the perfect guy to use to measure your offense- if you’re going shopping this spring. 

The issue is that an already limited(supposedly) offense is likely to get way more limited with a guy with very little time in it.

Hopefully Dalton could play competently until he gets up to speed.

 

[KatsAzz]

12 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Also if it reads funny, I tried to type it as accurately as I could without changing anything, I wasn’t trying to be sloppy.

Thanks,you did a nice summary job. Canales was trying to be polite and not throw Bryce Young  under the bus to the public, however,  it was easy to read into his replies that he was not confident that Bryce Young could be counted on to make deep throws down field. 

[KatsAzz]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The issue is that an already limited(supposedly) offense is likely to get way more limited with a guy with very little time in it.

Hopefully Dalton could play competently until he gets up to speed.

 

Once it is determined the Panthers are out of the playoffs, I would like to see QB Mike White play a game.

I have followed QB Trey Lance a long, and he is an  upcoming free agent I am hoping the Panthers try to sign. Trey checks all the right boxes and would be an ideal replacement to Bryce Young who I hope is on his way out.

Edited 1 hour ago by KatsAzz

[Sir Big Spurr]

1 hour ago, toldozer said:

Again they sign a playable back up and Bryce would have been done. They are working with a pussy as qb1 and they tried to make it work. 

There’s no bigger pussy on that sideline than Dave Canales. When your head coach and QB are such betas, you have no chance. 

[bigjohn]

The best thing for us is with the part of the schedule coming up, we have tough games and teams will gameplan like New Orleans. It should become painfullY obvious on whether we can throw downfield with Bryce at QB. 
 

The narrative is out there and it will continue to be a focal point that maybe ever Tepper will understand, if he’s truly the one in the way of moving on from Bryce (or at the very least bringing in competition).

[raleigh-panther]

13 minutes ago, Sir Big Spurr said:

There’s no bigger pussy on that sideline than Dave Canales. When your head coach and QB are such betas, you have no chance. 

You aren’t wrong

Mr Roger’s isn’t going to cut it particularly when paired with pee wee Herman