REPORT: Cade Mays will hit the free-agent market

[Aussie Tank]

I d like to draft that Indiana C late hes got plenty of experience and a QB don't win a Hiesmen and a National Championship without a solid C 

[Shocker]

He is incredibly average, I don’t get the love for Cade

Edited 4 hours ago by Shocker

[NorthTryon]

21 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

I d like to draft that Indiana C late hes got plenty of experience and a QB don't win a Hiesmen and a National Championship without a solid C 

You are the 3rd person I've heard talk about Coogan. I looked him up and in addition to your case, he is apparently a great leader, locker room guy, and majors in the best ability which is availability! They are talking about solid depth piece in the draft, but Jeff Saturday had a horrible draft grade and played 10+ years.

[SOJA]

4 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

best starting center since Ryan kalil but Mays has hit his ceiling

not overpaying for mays is the right call

 

4 hours ago, frankw said:

I guess some fans have already forgotten the Paradis/Elflein days.

Center should remain a top priority.

weirdly I agree with both of you. Which is why I wouldn't mind a center being drafted early this year. Seems like it fills both needs 

[panfanman]

Icky going down really fowled things up.  Getting a suitable LT and OC early is a tall task.  And if we pull that off we have to ignore other severe needs.

[bythenbrs]

39 minutes ago, panfanman said:

Icky going down really fowled things up.  Getting a suitable LT and OC early is a tall task.  And if we pull that off we have to ignore other severe needs.

We’re still two really good drafts away (at least) from retooling this roster, to be a year in, year out contender for our division.  Draft the LOT and C this year if the stars align and we don’t reach.  Starting two rookies on the OL will be ugly this upcoming season but it has to be done to balance out the huge misallocation of cap to the OL.  We’ll just have to fill in the other needs with cap friendly FA’s while we rebuild longer term through the draft.

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

1 hour ago, SOJA said:

 

weirdly I agree with both of you. Which is why I wouldn't mind a center being drafted early this year. Seems like it fills both needs 

I won't mind Mays back on 2-3 year very team friendly deal if we can't find an upgrade

[pantherclaw]

5 hours ago, frankw said:

We'll see how Morgan navigates it. For all the resources we tied up in two OG's in free agency I would argue Center had been our biggest problem going back to 2020. We need quality depth there. The problem now is Morgan's panic signings in Lewis and Hunt paired with the now very murky future of Icky make this even trickier.

Ya know. It sure would have been nice to draft a future Center a few years ago instead of an already injured RB.

I try to listen to you. I try to see if you offer any true perspective,  that I miss. 

The signings of Hunt and Lewis were not of panic.   They were well calculated. 

Now it's obvious you didn't care for the signings, although that's not how you offer up your perspective. You throw poo against the wall. 

Makes trying to listen to anything else you post, a waste of time. 

[SurvivalSloth]

I don't like this update, but in Dan I trust. 

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I try to listen to you. I try to see if you offer any true perspective,  that I miss. 

The signings of Hunt and Lewis were not of panic.   They were well calculated. 

Now it's obvious you didn't care for the signings, although that's not how you offer up your perspective. You throw poo against the wall. 

Makes trying to listen to anything else you post, a waste of time. 

I'll be direct and to the point. If you can't handle difference of opinion without making it personal because I am not being a sycophant to your standards then do not quote me. We can disagree without this nonsense.

As far as the matter at hand. I think Lewis and Hunt are good at what they do. I like them. I wanted us to address the OL. I wanted to do it largely via the draft though. We went the instant results path and now we have the highest paid OL in the league and the results are the same as the Texans who gave up the same number of sacks as us (37) but the difference is they are 25 out of 32 in salary cap dedicated to the OL while we are #1. And they have a more balanced roster to show for it. Now we are at a crossroads where we are basically cornered into investing even more resources into the OL for what was ultimately the 27th passing offense. This is not good. If you're arguing with me on that point then we have nothing further to discuss. Goodnight.

[Tr3ach]

5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Based on the research I just did this AM in my lab which is in my man cave in my secret lair--The OL market in free agency is terrible.  Mays will get top dollar--they are predicting about $12m.

I would love Linderbaum, but I am a realist.  first, the ravens will try to lock him down and he will get $20m or close to it.  

To me, we can get a rookie to do as well for about $2-3m by round 2 or 3.  

Due to the free agent Market, our draft should be focused on the offensive line and edge.  We need to sign a S, ILB, and maybe a TE in free agency.

Draft a T, C, WR, and Edge.  

We shall see. Mays would be a fool to stay--we cut him.  We played Corbett in front of him.

I fear that they will re-sign Corbett to a 1-year deal--maybe that would be smart.  
 

Linderbaum is also a pretty specialized center based on his size and strengths and im not sure he would be great here.

[pantherclaw]

20 minutes ago, frankw said:

I'll be direct and to the point. If you can't handle difference of opinion without making it personal because I am not being a sycophant to your standards then do not quote me. We can disagree without this nonsense.

As far as the matter at hand. I think Lewis and Hunt are good at what they do. I like them. I wanted us to address the OL. I wanted to do it largely via the draft though. We went the instant results path and now we have the highest paid OL in the league and the results are the same as the Texans who gave up the same number of sacks as us (37) but the difference is they are 25 out of 32 in salary cap dedicated to the OL while we are #1. And they have a more balanced roster to show for it. Now we are at a crossroads where we are basically cornered into investing even more resources into the OL for what was ultimately the 27th passing offense. This is not good. If you're arguing with me on that point then we have nothing further to discuss. Goodnight.

I have no problems with difference of opinions.  Difference of perspective. 

Perspective is everything.  

The statement you made was false. Period. So sorry that you don't like me calling it out.  Frankly, Frank,  I gave up on seeing anything eye to eye with you when I was a much younger man. 

Nothing I said was a personal insult, so get over yourself. 

As far as comparing rosters.  I just dont give a fug.  There are no 2 rosters in this league that are built the same as far talent and contracts. Every team is on their own journey. 

Is our passing offense far from desired? Yes, we can agree on that part, but not on why it has struggled. 

I wish we could easily just drsft all the talent we need, the the NFL doesn't,  and hasn't worked that way. 

Dan Morgan did a fantastic job at bringing in talent along the line, and retaining talent along the line. We needed it also, as we used every bit of the depth we had, most of the season. 

Unfortunately we were relying on a receivers room that their average age is less than my oldest son, and that is NEVER a recipe for success for the group. 

The constant shuffle at online was horrible. Despite how horrible it was, our online actually performed well above expectations for what they went through. 

We also need our play caller to attempt to stick to an offensive identity.   Unfortunately,  Dave C. didn't do that, for whatever reason. 

Hell, the online was the highlight of our offense this season. Wished the rest of the offense performed as consistent. 

He'll, wish our defense performed that consistent. 

I'll give you credit, for not dropping to your expected behavior in your response.  Congratulations. 

Have a goodnight.  

Edited 1 hour ago by pantherclaw

[SmokinwithWilly]

9 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I try to listen to you. I try to see if you offer any true perspective,  that I miss. 

The signings of Hunt and Lewis were not of panic.   They were well calculated. 

Now it's obvious you didn't care for the signings, although that's not how you offer up your perspective. You throw poo against the wall. 

Makes trying to listen to anything else you post, a waste of time. 

They weren't well thought out. We needed one, not both. 2 top center/guard candidates were going to be available in the 2nd. We would have been fine with JPJ or Frazier. Drafting either over XL or Brooks would have made perfect sense. Hell, drafting both would have made sense even if we had signed Lewis or Hunt. Instead we drafted a 1 year wonder project WR and a luxury RB that we didn't need since we had Hubbard.

Draft IOL, pay tackles. Plenty of 2nd round guards and centers start immediately and play very well. Those 2 picks were not good then, now, no matter how much explaining anyone tries to do. Several of called it then. 

[frankw]

33 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I have no problems with difference of opinions.  Difference of perspective. 

Perspective is everything.  

The statement you made was false. Period. So sorry that you don't like me calling it out.  Frankly, Frank,  I gave up on seeing anything eye to eye with you when I was a much younger man. 

Nothing I said was a personal insult, so get over yourself. 

As far as comparing rosters.  I just dont give a fug.  There are no 2 rosters in this league that are built the same as far talent and contracts. Every team is on their own journey. 

Is our passing offense far from desired? Yes, we can agree on that part, but not on why it has struggled. 

I wish we could easily just drsft all the talent we need, the the NFL doesn't,  and hasn't worked that way. 

Dan Morgan did a fantastic job at bringing in talent along the line, and retaining talent along the line. We needed it also, as we used every bit of the depth we had, most of the season. 

Unfortunately we were relying on a receivers room that their average age is less than my oldest son, and that is NEVER a recipe for success for the group. 

The constant shuffle at online was horrible. Despite how horrible it was, our online actually performed well above expectations for what they went through. 

We also need our play caller to attempt to stick to an offensive identity.   Unfortunately,  Dave C. didn't do that, for whatever reason. 

Hell, the online was the highlight of our offense this season. Wished the rest of the offense performed as consistent. 

He'll, wish our defense performed that consistent. 

I'll give you credit, for not dropping to your expected behavior in your response.  Congratulations. 

Have a goodnight.  

I have no idea why you are so irrationally upset about the notion that going out and spending $150 million free agency dollars on two interior offensive linemen could be construed as a panic response after our #1 pick we traded a fortune for had one of the worst rookie seasons of the last 25 years. It is objectively what transpired.

Dan Morgan as of right now is a mixed bag. Some really good some so so some not so good some bad some really bad. You take any rational criticism personally like you are related to him or something. That's something you'll have to figure out for yourself.

Anyways. The predicament Dan Morgan finds himself in for this year will define his future as GM. I sincerely hope he navigates it to perfection. But the circumstances are largely of his own creation. And not just in his stint as GM but going back to his time as assistant GM. Which conveniently people like yourself don't like to talk about. That is the reality of the situation.

I like how you will carry water for Dan Morgan to the point of getting into random spats with people but make no mention of Bryce Young's glaring limitations and shortcomings as a starting QB yet go out of your way to put the onus of our struggles squarely on Canales. I mean I've been quite critical of Canales too but he sure isn't the only one to blame for our problems.