Make Yosh Nijman a good offer or not?

[Navy_football]

Honestly thought Ickey was fairlt average. That's just based on the eye test. I haven't seen any grades or anything to base that on. Usually when the QB was pressured, it seemed like it was coming from the LT or RG. 

[PanthersGTI]

I think he is a guy we can't let walk. They will overpay him to get him to stay, it won't be crazy but I doubt people here will be happy about it. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Honestly thought Ickey was fairlt average. That's just based on the eye test. I haven't seen any grades or anything to base that on. Usually when the QB was pressured, it seemed like it was coming from the LT or RG. 

Icky was always a weak pass blocker come out of college. Cross was the premier pass blocker in that class. Much easier to learn run blocking than pass blocking. I never expected Icky to ever become an elite pass blocker. If he was average, that's all I really expected. I did expect him to be an absolute mailer in the run game. 

[ChuckWag78]

There are some real dog poop tackles starting on teams out there. While he may not ever be a top tier tackle, he has been more than serviceable I'm my opinion and offers great flexibility.

We should be making him a good offer. OL is where you should be more than willing to invest dollars. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Icky was always a weak pass blocker come out of college. Cross was the premier pass blocker in that class. Much easier to learn run blocking than pass blocking. I never expected Icky to ever become an elite pass blocker. If he was average, that's all I really expected. I did expect him to be an absolute mailer in the run game. 

While that is true, it is much harder to have the actual strength to move people backwards with run blocking (which is a weakness for Cross). Cross was never going to be a dominant run blocker because if he put on the mass to have better strength, it would take away his good lateral speed to slow down speed edge rushers. For Icky vs. Cross, it came down to do you want a mauler OT or a agile pass protector OT. We chose the mauler because we were (and mostly still are) a power run offense.

At the end of the day, Icky is a top tier run blocking tackle in the NFL while being an average pass protector. I think a big reason why our run game mostly went to crap the back half of the season is because we stopped running the ball to the left side for some reason (that combined with teams stacking the box). Just blew my mind that it seemed like 2/3 of our run plays were off guard run plays to the right behind freaking Corbett... Like the dumbest designed running lane to choose with all the other people we have on our oline.

Edited 3 hours ago by PleaseCutStewart

[Joe Bear]

I wouldn't pencil Yosh in as the starter but bringing him back for depth seems to make sense. Is BC even gonna be recovered in time?

[PleaseCutStewart]

12 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

I wouldn't pencil Yosh in as the starter but bringing him back for depth seems to make sense. Is BC even gonna be recovered in time?

Right now, I would say doubtful he even plays next season. A ruptured achilles is about one of the worst injuries you can suffer in the NFL and at Oline, as it really impacts your ability to get that explosive burst forward when the ball is snapped.

I'd be thrilled if BC recovers 100% and plays like he did before the injury, even if he doesn't play a snap next year while rehabbing.

[Navy_football]

3 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Icky was always a weak pass blocker come out of college. Cross was the premier pass blocker in that class. Much easier to learn run blocking than pass blocking. I never expected Icky to ever become an elite pass blocker. If he was average, that's all I really expected. I did expect him to be an absolute mailer in the run game. 

Yeah but the whole point of a LT is to protect your QB's blindside (right handed). Opening holes for RBs is not why they are far and away the highest paid linemen. The only linemen that are paid as much or more are the guys that can beat them to get to the QB. A LT that's a run specialist is like a WR that only runs screens and jet sweeps. Many here think the team can easily replace BY. I think the same can be said for Ickey. Heck Yosh may not be that much of a drop off - if any. 

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Yeah but the whole point of a LT is to protect your QB's blindside (right handed). Opening holes for RBs is not why they are far and away the highest paid linemen. The only linemen that are paid as much or more are the guys that can beat them to get to the QB. A LT that's a run specialist is like a WR that only runs screens and jet sweeps. Many here think the team can easily replace BY. I think the same can be said for Ickey. Heck Yosh may not be that much of a drop off - if any. 

Maybe I am on an island with this take but damn I thought Icky was developing into a damn fine LT and when I watch Yosh he is just a sluggish lumbering dude that plays in slow motion.  I am not against resigning him, as a back up, but there is no way in hell Morgan and Co have the balls to trot him out there thinking he is a solution for 17 games.

[frankw]

We have to keep him for depth. It is what is.

I'm just hoping that our FO navigates this offseason strategically versus panicking over the OL.

[Basbear]

If he wants to return like many of the other OL, why not if the price is fair?

I forget the huddler ID, but they had a good idea about Jedrick Wills on a cheap return to NFL deal. 

Honestly when Yosh is in the top 5 options for FA, that's awful for teams...

Draft feels like its one of the best spots.

I feel they need draft at least two OT and sign one able to start 10 games this season.

Dave needs to already form a new set of playbooks with TE helping Left side.....