Voth doesn't think Safety or DE is in the cards for 1st

[top dawg]

I'm skeptical that the flavor of the day (one), Justin Reid, as is the pick in so many mock drafts, is going to be our first rounder. He's a safe pick, no doubt, but will he be the best value? Probably not. Bill Voth basically says the same in so many words on the team's site.

"If you're going to spend a first-round pick on a safety - especially for a defensive scheme where that position is relatively low in the pecking order of importance - it should be on a tone-setter, a guy who'd immediately change the swagger of the backend. James or Fitzpatrick could do that. I'm not as sold on Ronnie Harrison or Justin Reid, who's seen a recent surge in mock draft matchmaking."

 

Voth acknowledges that either Reid or Harrison would likely be day-one starters, but insinuates that this may still turn out to be the case for some other later round prospects.

As for defensive end, Voth flatly says that there's no one worth a first except Bradley Chubb. He may be right, but, as an aside, Stephen White (former NFL DE, now analyst) had this to say about Marcus Davenport

 

"For now I have Bradley Chubb ahead of Davenport as the better edge rusher prospect. Chubb is a little more polished and has a little better motor. But I want to be clear that Davenport has just as much if not more potential than Chubb."

 

White admittedly doesn't have access to college film, and simply watched four games, but he makes some good points (complete with gifs). It's worth a look.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/20/17089168/2018-nfl-draft-marcus-davenport-breakdown-scouting-report

 

But getting back to Voth, he says that he would "use No. 24 on a cornerback or best player available who would just so happen to line up with another position of need." He also mentioned that a WR or TE Hayden Hurst wouldn't be totally out of the picture, or even trading down if your top 5 or 6 guys are gone. 

http://m.panthers.com/news/article-2/Grill-Bill-First-round-safety/5ebad9ed-7192-4440-b754-030a44666247

 

So, there it is. Perhaps Reid will be the pick, but given the circumstances there are those of us that believe that picking him would not exactly be swinging for the fences. The same can probably be said for a lot of players at No. 24 in this class. It's going to be very interesting to see what actually goes down. I'm thinking that if Calvin Ridley or D.J. Moore fall, it's going to be one of them (provided that an equally graded CB isn't available, which I can't see at the moment). I feel the dark horse candidates would be Sony Michel or Hayden Hurst, or maybe even Mike McGlinchey, Will Hernandez or Kolton Miller.

[davos]

Voth makes a fair point especially when we’re factoring in impact and value. 

I’m not on the Reid train like it seems so many are on this board; he’s a solid prospect but the value we give that position combined with his abilities are not worth a first rounder. 

Safeties are hyped every year and they always end up falling down boards.

The playmakers with size like a Miles Killebrew and Jaquiski Tartt in years past are the ones I’d prefer to target.

[MHS831]

This counters my thinking, but I agree that Reid and the DEs are not good values where we pick.  I would love a trade back to add a fourth rounder and then maybe a trade up later to add a third, third rounder.  

Marty will sit there at 24 and see which fish manage to get through the nets.  If not something we need, trade back.

[steven8989]

Looks like LB guys. 

[toldozer]

I want Derwin James. Trade our second third round pick and jump up a few spots and grand him if he's still there around 19-20

[CPF4LIFE]

You can get a great saftey later in the draft. Look around league most teams are set at that position except us and a lot of those guys werent high round picks. 

[Rags]

I know we like the S from Wake Forest. I could easily see us taking him in the 3rd and him being a starter for us?

[t96]

I actually kind of hope we trade down to like pick 30-32ish. Not out of the 1st completely but back a little. Maybe a team going for Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph.

[ncfan]

Still say Ridley falls

Hurney strikes and grabs him

 

And then when his plan B. (Reid) falls out of the first, trade that comp 3rd to make a move back up and grab him

[Moo Daeng]

Voth is a mouthpiece of the team. He is either completely in the dark (hard to imagine but possible) and his opinion is just an opinion. Or he knows things and his reports are certainly orchestrated. I'm not one for conspiracies but I'm not sure how to interpret anything from him anymore. 

It's just odd when bloggy info guy goes corporate.

[RoaringRiot]

4 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Voth is a mouthpiece of the team. He is either completely in the dark (hard to imagine but possible) and his opinion is just an opinion. Or he knows things and his reports are certainly orchestrated. I'm not one for conspiracies but I'm not sure how to interpret anything from him anymore. 

It's just odd when bloggy info guy goes corporate.

Are there examples of him saying poo just to cover for the team?

[Shocker]

4 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Voth is a mouthpiece of the team. He is either completely in the dark (hard to imagine but possible) and his opinion is just an opinion. Or he knows things and his reports are certainly orchestrated. I'm not one for conspiracies but I'm not sure how to interpret anything from him anymore. 

It's just odd when bloggy info guy goes corporate.

Yeah, your the real expert around here.

[UpstatePanther]

i hear all these concerns, but our safety position is consistently a liability. While i hope we go BPA in the first, i also hope that BPA just so happens to be a safety. There is not a greater need on this team than safety. 

alot of needs of secondary priority, but safety is primary. 

I'd group our needs like this:

Immediate Need:

• Safety, both SS and FS

Secondary Need:

1. RB
2. DE
3. WR 
4. CB
5. OT

Developmental/Depth Need:

1. OLB
2. TE
3. OG
4. QB (backup)
5. C

Non-need:

• DT
• MLB
• Specialists

SO... in other words, I would love for the Panthers pick up an impact safety. If we are going to trade, i'd rather us trade down and stockpile picks. This roster is going to look very different going into the 2019 and 2020 seasons. we need to prepare for that. 

[steven8989]

5 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

i hear all these concerns, but our safety position is consistently a liability. While i hope we go BPA in the first, i also hope that BPA just so happens to be a safety. There is not a greater need on this team than safety. 

alot of needs of secondary priority, but safety is primary. 

I'd group our needs like this:

Immediate Need:

• Safety, both SS and FS

Secondary Need:

1. RB
2. DE
3. WR 
4. CB
5. OT

Developmental/Depth Need:

1. OLB
2. TE
3. OG
4. QB (backup)
5. C

Non-need:

• DT
• MLB
• Specialists

SO... in other words, I would love for the Panthers pick up an impact safety. If we are going to trade, i'd rather us trade down and stockpile picks. This roster is going to look very different going into the 2019 and 2020 seasons. we need to prepare for that. 

TE developmental? Are u crazy if Greg Olsen is injured wth do we do. No way we trust Manhertz I don't care what Rivera and Turner says. We are in trouble at TE and if this is Greg's last year we have to have someone to be able to come right in and not miss a beat for our offense.