Corona Virus

[45catfan]

9 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

It's a good idea, but it's not apples to apples.  Go back and look at how New York was turning away people who went tot he hospital, and how the shutdown of other types of access to medicine has led to deaths not directly COVID.

Why was NYC being compared to other countries?  Why choose the grossly mismanaged epicenter of the American outbreak when clearly NYC was the statistical outlier in all the data.  Why not places like Alaska, North Dakota, Oregon, Nebraska, South Carolina etc...?  Simple, it was for maximum shock effect.

[Ja Rhule]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Why was NYC being compared to other countries?  Why choose the grossly mismanaged epicenter of the American outbreak when clearly NYC was the statistical outlier in all the data.  Why not places like Alaska, North Dakota, Oregon, Nebraska, South Carolina etc...?  Simple, it was for maximum shock effect.

Probably due to density of the population compared to land size.

[kass]

16 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

It's a good idea, but it's not apples to apples.  Go back and look at how New York was turning away people who went tot he hospital, and how the shutdown of other types of access to medicine has led to deaths not directly COVID.

Could and should of course be done per state. 

Was it such a big problem it could show up and potentially add thousands of cases? Was it for the whole NY or just NYC?

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Ja Rhule said:

Probably due to density of the population compared to land size.

True, which if you think of it that way would be even more terrorizing.  So for someone scanning this article would see one city with death rates higher than other countries.  I'm sure that would scare the absolute poo out of someone that didn't know that NYC's numbers were completely out of whack compared to the rest of America.

[Wolfcop]

43 minutes ago, Tbe said:

This is excellent.

The bottom line is NYC’s historical average weekly death rate. 
 

Red is this year. 

Man, that's great!

[trueblade]

Atlanta Comic Con 2020 lives on! That’s right—the July 31-August 2, 2020, Atlanta Comic Con has been green lit to proceed.

[45catfan]

26 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Man, that's great!

New York and New Jersey have green-lighted Pro teams to return to their facilities!  This was a MAJOR hurdle.  The League wasn't going to allow players back into facilities until all 32 teams were allowed by their respective state officials due to a perceived competitive advantage.

I'm not sure how many other states still have restrictions on Pro facilities, but NY/NJ giving the go ahead is huge.  I figured they would be one, if not the last, to do so.

NY/NJ Pro Teams Permitted Back Into Facilities

[LinvilleGorge]

9 hours ago, 45catfan said:

New York and New Jersey alone count for nearly 1/3 of the total National deaths.  Take that into account and the rest of the country is not nearly as bad off as the it would seem.  NYC botched its response horrendously from the beginning and the optics in the National death count as a result looks a lot more ominous than had NYC handled their part better.

 

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

New York and New Jersey have green-lighted Pro teams to return to their facilities!  This was a MAJOR hurdle.  The League wasn't going to allow players back into facilities until all 32 teams were allowed by their respective state officials due to a perceived competitive advantage.

I'm not sure how many other states still have restrictions on Pro facilities, but NY/NJ giving the go ahead is huge.  I figured they would be one, if not the last, to do so.

NY/NJ Pro Teams Permitted Back Into Facilities

You hit the nail on the head a few pages ago.

[jfra78]

2 hours ago, trueblade said:

Atlanta Comic Con 2020 lives on! That’s right—the July 31-August 2, 2020, Atlanta Comic Con has been green lit to proceed.

Take that poo to nerdvana, has no place on the main forum

/s

[Ja Rhule]

CMS will open 2 weeks earlier cause of RNC...

[4Corners]

21 minutes ago, Ja Rhule said:

CMS will open 2 weeks earlier cause of RNC...

My wife is a teacher in CMS. The week when the convention is here will he shifted to schooling/work from home as well. Fingers crossed the convention goes somewhere else. 

[Tbe]

13 hours ago, Tbe said:

This is excellent.

The bottom line is NYC’s historical average weekly death rate. 
 

Red is this year. 

To follow up on my own post, the nytimes had another article on this. Basically, they have no idea how many of these extra deaths are Covid and how many were other causes. They think most were Covid, but a good number were heart attacks or other issues.

“It is too soon to know the precise causes of death for New Yorkers in this period. Although many of the deaths not currently attributed to coronavirus may represent an undercount of the outbreak’s direct toll, the broader effects of the pandemic might have also increased deaths indirectly. Throughout the city, emergency rooms have been overcrowded, ambulance response has been slowed, and many residents might have been reluctant to seek medical care because of fears of contracting the virus. Hospitals around the country have reported reductions in admission for heart attacks, one sign that some people may be dying at home from ailments they would survive during more normal times.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html

[Wes21]

32 minutes ago, Tbe said:

To follow up on my own post, the nytimes had another article on this. Basically, they have no idea how many of these extra deaths are Covid and how many were other causes. They think most were Covid, but a good number were heart attacks or other issues.

“It is too soon to know the precise causes of death for New Yorkers in this period. Although many of the deaths not currently attributed to coronavirus may represent an undercount of the outbreak’s direct toll, the broader effects of the pandemic might have also increased deaths indirectly. Throughout the city, emergency rooms have been overcrowded, ambulance response has been slowed, and many residents might have been reluctant to seek medical care because of fears of contracting the virus. Hospitals around the country have reported reductions in admission for heart attacks, one sign that some people may be dying at home from ailments they would survive during more normal times.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html

CNN had several segments early on dedicated to how New York was preparing for the rush of COVID patients.  It wasn't just people "being hesitant to go to the doctor."  People were literally trying to go to the hospital and were being turned away if it didn't seem like COVID.  Some needed beds, but the hospital didn't want to "waste" beds for regular patients, so some people were sent home to be in their own bed and were given transmitters that were connected to the hospital with a button to press if they got in distress.

You can't simply do a body count in New York and have it be accurate.  Not when they were doing stuff like that.

[cookinbrak]

27 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

CNN had several segments early on dedicated to how New York was preparing for the rush of COVID patients.  It wasn't just people "being hesitant to go to the doctor."  People were literally trying to go to the hospital and were being turned away if it didn't seem like COVID.  Some needed beds, but the hospital didn't want to "waste" beds for regular patients, so some people were sent home to be in their own bed and were given transmitters that were connected to the hospital with a button to press if they got in distress.

You can't simply do a body count in New York and have it be accurate.  Not when they were doing stuff like that.

Go to hospital...get sent home because it's not virus enough...die at home. Virus related death.