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Watson not the only big name vet at QB that we're looking at?

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2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Haha, must be a Florida fan.

Because you have a completely different view point than people around the league and other football experts 

No sir, not a Florida fan. I just have eyes that have not seen ANY PLAY OFF WINS and I have ears that hear plenty of experts say that he's not lived up to being THE #1 PICK IN THE DRAFT. Overrated and over paid like a number of QB's in the league. He's not the only one. 

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10 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I get it and I respect your view on it.

I just don't want a vet as our answer at QB. I want to see a rookie we can build around. That's just what I want to see. I'm underwhelmed by any vet not Watson, and he is way too expensive to get to get.

After Ted and massively disappointing overall roster building, I don't want another rental vet. I want a damn stud we hope to see play at least 10 years. If the draft doesn't go that way then sign a vet from the vet heap and prey we can do better. 

I am open to whatever works, essentially. Obviously the preference would be to snag a QB in this draft that inevitably becomes "The Guy" and we ride off into the sunset with our new franchise QB. However, we all know that drafting a QB is a crapshoot, hence the reason why we have only had one in our entire franchise history. So that rookie to build around may also be the thing that sets us back on the path to RE-rebuilding if we don't get it right. 

Stafford and Teddy are apples to oranges comparisons. Matt Stafford could potentially enter next season as the third highest active leader in passing yardage in the NFL and currently on pace to eclipse Aaron Rodgers if he plays the same length of career. I'd equate Stafford much more to someone like Matt Ryan than Teddy Bridgewater.

Would I take a 32 year old Matt Ryan right now? Absolutely. Especially with perhaps 6-8 years more of playing life left in him.

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33 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

But you said he had all of this leverage, if he really had all of this leverage he would make sure whatever team he goes to wouldn't have to give up much so he could be on a better team.  Wouldn't matter how many team were actually bidding.

If he was really a free agent so to speak like a lot of you think they wouldn't give up much at all.

 

He may have some leverage but it's not Jedi mind trick leverage.

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12 minutes ago, @bonafidebanter said:

No sir, not a Florida fan. I just have eyes that have not seen ANY PLAY OFF WINS and I have ears that hear plenty of experts say that he's not lived up to being THE #1 PICK IN THE DRAFT. Overrated and over paid like a number of QB's in the league. He's not the only one. 

Your eyes have clearly only seen the W/L records and not watched games.

 

Also clearly deaf as no experts are saying this.

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am open to whatever works, essentially. Obviously the preference would be to snag a QB in this draft that inevitably becomes "The Guy" and we ride off into the sunset with our new franchise QB. However, we all know that drafting a QB is a crapshoot, hence the reason why we have only had one in our entire franchise history. So that rookie to build around may also be the thing that sets us back on the path to RE-rebuilding if we don't get it right. 

Stafford and Teddy are apples to oranges comparisons. Matt Stafford could potentially enter next season as the third highest active leader in passing yardage in the NFL and currently on pace to eclipse Aaron Rodgers if he plays the same length of career. I'd equate Stafford much more to someone like Matt Ryan than Teddy Bridgewater.

Would I take a 32 year old Matt Ryan right now? Absolutely. Especially with perhaps 6-8 years more of playing life left in him.

I wasn't trying to compare the two, you are dead on, just after the failure of Teddy here I personally just want to see a rookie.

I guess I should phrase it, if we were to trade for Stafford before the draft I would be disappointed with the new GM. If it is a settling move to fill a massive need after the draft then whatever. I really do not like the idea of using draft picks outside of the last two rounds on a vet QB with the roster issues we are facing. 

Any of the vets are fine-ish for me if it's a post draft non-draft capital spent move. Technically we are already rebuilding after last years massive free agent failure. 

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5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I wasn't trying to compare the two, you are dead on, just after the failure of Teddy here I personally just want to see a rookie.

I guess I should phrase it, if we were to trade for Stafford before the draft I would be disappointed with the new GM. If it is a settling move to fill a massive need after the draft then whatever. I really do not like the idea of using draft picks outside of the last two rounds on a vet QB with the roster issues we are facing. 

Any of the vets are fine-ish for me if it's a post draft non-draft capital spent move. Technically we are already rebuilding after last years massive free agent failure. 

Well, let's say we hypothetically still have our first round draft pick and STILL take a QB in the draft. Maybe not a reasonable scenario but a possible one. Like I said, I wouldn't pass judgement on what we are going to do until I see what the plan is. Then we can debate whether or not we agree with the direction.

Me personally? I have always liked Stafford and I'd be glad to have him, as long as we don't sell the farm to get him.

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30 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

No you said he was worth a first round pick don’t change it and turn it on me not reading lol. 

Yeah I did have a first round grade based on his potential, like multiple other NFL teams, shame he didn't live up to it. I am glad the Panthers took Burns over him in the first round.  Would love to see your scouting report on him 😕

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Yeah I did have a first round grade based on his potential, like multiple other NFL teams, shame he didn't live up to it. I am glad the Panthers took Burns over him in the first round.  Would love to see your scouting report on him 😕

Yeah I told u then but hey don’t give me credit. You could tell he wasn’t a first rounder before the draft that’s why I said bullcrap but hey maybe next time.

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I am willing to say he would be a better QB than Asswater for sure. Adding him to this offense would definitely be a huge upgrade. He's on the right side of 30 (32, I believe), and he could potentially be here for at least 8 more years. Minimum 5. I am not sure about the semantics of the trade but I certainly believe he would be cheaper to acquire, both assets and monetarily speaking. 

On paper, depending on what the Lions want, Player or pick(s), you won't have to mortgage the future for Stafford and still get a decent QB. 

 

I want Watson but if Stafford is available for a lower premium, you definitely consider him as a 1-B type of situation. 

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1 hour ago, Growl said:

The future of the nfc is wide open and we are better situated perhaps moreso than any other team in the conference to be the architects of protracted dominance

I don't want a window

I mean don't get me wrong I'd rather have Watson, Wilson or Fields

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