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Rumor circulating between a potential Panthers/Niners QB swap... Teddy B for Jimmy G

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Jimmy G is easily better than Teddy. The injury thing is a concern, but Jimmy isn’t someone I’d want to hitch our wagon to anyway. Only reason to do this is to get an extra pick while the 9ers offload a contract. I assume Teddy’s is more manageable than Jimmy’s so it’s not a trade for QBs insomuch as it’s a trade our cap space for their draft pick, which we use to move up and get a QB

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I think Jimmy is better than Teddy, but not by a wide margin and that's only when he can stay on the field. 

Contractually, both have two years remaining.  Teddy has got 2yr/$49MM with dead cap hits associated with cutting him this year or the next of $20MM and $5MM respectively.  Jimmy has got 2yr/$53.4MM, but the dead cap hits are only $2.8MM and $1.4MM. 

So Jimmy has a more attractive deal in that he can be cut with less pain than cutting Teddy if he doesn't perform well.  If we trade Teddy, we still incur the dead cap hit.  So if this happens, we'd take a $20MM hit this year, and then if Jimmy sucks a $1.4MM hit next year after cutting him.

If you don't view Jimmy as an upgrade, it'd be better to just hold onto Teddy and take the $5MM dead cap hit for him next offseason.  Basically the deal only works if Jimmy works.  It can't be a swapping of spare parts.

 

EDIT: Looks like the cap rules are different for trades vs. cuts.  Spotrac showing that trading Teddy would actually only be a 10MM dead cap hit for us, either all at once (Pre June 1) or spread over two years (Post June 1).  Not sure why that's the case.  I was under the impression trading vs. cutting was the same.  That would make the swap more worth the risk IMO. 

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Our new GM was ready and poised to get us absolutely wrecked on a terrible deal on par with what the WFT was offering for Stafford, but we were saved by the Rams. In short our new GM doesn't make winning deals for us, he gives up the farm and we get screwed. So a swap involving Jimmy and Teddy would result in us giving SF extra things, and us getting nothing but Jimmy. 

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2018 Contract details by year 27 $6,200,000 $1,400,000 $28,800,000 $600,000 $37,000,000  $41,800,000 $41,950,000($41,950,000)  
2019 Contract details by year 28 $17,200,000 $1,400,000 $800,000 $600,000 $20,000,000 $13,700,000 $18,600,000($60,550,000)  
2020 Contract details by year 29 $23,800,000 $1,400,000 $300,000 $600,000 $26,100,000  $28,600,000 $24,700,000($85,250,000)  
2021 Contract details by year 30 $24,100,000 $1,400,000 $300,000 $600,000 $26,400,000 $2,800,000 $25,000,000($110,250,000)  
2022 Contract details by year 31 $24,200,000 $1,400,000 $800,000 $600,000 $27,000,000 $1,400,000 $25,600,000($135,850,000)

 

NOOOOO WAY, 24,000,000 in base for 2021?? Pay cut is the only way, rather keep Teddy 2 yards. SF just needs to cut him, he has no value....unless herniay never leftd the GM role. 

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