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Trade suggestion from the Athletic

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Trade suggestion from the Athletic. I like it myself. I know he’s young, but I’m constantly underwhelmed by PJ.
 

John Collins to the Charlotte Hornets

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  • Charlotte sends its 2021 first-round pick (top-4 protected) to Atlanta

Here we go Hornets! Charlotte adds a top-notch young big man to play the rim-running role next to LaMelo Ball, one they can comfortably sign this offseason given they’ll have massive cap room and the market isn’t exactly flooded with talent. In fact, Collins’ low cap hold is a real boon here, as Charlotte should have $20 million in room even with Collins’ number on the books before they go over the cap to re-sign him. That should be enough for a half-decent center to round this group out.

A perimeter quarter of Ball-Rozier-Hayward-Collins is primed to do some serious damage offensively, and that’s worth surrendering a first-round pick likely to be in the mid-teens, plus Graham and P.J. Washington. Graham represented a thorny issue for Charlotte with his restricted free agency coming up, but will be welcomed with open arms by an Atlanta team desperate for improved backup point guard play. The Hawks also have ample room below the tax to retain Graham in free agency, and his long-range shooting should allow him to play in two-guard lineups next to Trae Young.

Meanwhile, Washington fills Collins’ role for the next two seasons at a much more affordable price, important given that the Hawks were flinching at paying a potential max deal for Collins. He’s not a great defender and not the rim-runner that Collins is, but can play three positions and offers much more salary flexibility going forward.

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58 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

don't mind giving up DG, hate to lose PJ.  Still, we have to address the post and fast.  

Marginal upgrade over PJ but for a max contract and two assets?  Hard no.

I don’t think we can keep Devonte so I’d like to get something for him.  But with contracts and age considered I’m not even sure Collins for PJ straight-up is fair.  Nevermind that 1st round pick and Devonte.  Hard no.  

Roll with the young guys and fight for a ‘chip in 3-4 years, playoffs this year aren’t the end goal.

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I have also been disappointed in PJ this year but when you look at the salary cap and production between the two players - this is an easy No Way for me. Their not that big off a difference and we get to keep PJ on his rookie deal for a few more years while we figure out Terry/Monk/Miles contracts.. and also let Batum's $9m come off the books..

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John Collins (1yr $4.1m) :
18.0 PPG -- 52.9 FG% -- 37.3 3pt FG% -- 7.8 REB -- 1.5 AST -- 1.1 BLK

PJ Washington (3yrs $4.0m) :
12.4 PPG -- 45.5 FG% -- 40.7 3pt FG% -- 6.3 RPG -- 2.9 AST -- 1.1 BLK

 


Hawks offered a contract extension to Collins over $90m and he turned it down. Occording to Windhorst - Collins "was seeking something at or near the MAX and he stuck to his guns."

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Not sure if Collins is the right big, but watching Cody and Biz flail and fail each night against any opponent with a hint of talent in the middle is frustrating.  I know we're not in MUST WIN NOW mode, but we have a chance for a special run this year and we should make a move.

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4 hours ago, bLACKpANTHER said:

I have also been disappointed in PJ this year but when you look at the salary cap and production between the two players - this is an easy No Way for me. Their not that big off a difference and we get to keep PJ on his rookie deal for a few more years while we figure out Terry/Monk/Miles contracts.. and also let Batum's $9m come off the books..


Hawks offered a contract extension to Collins over $90m and he turned it down. Occording to Windhorst - Collins "was seeking something at or near the MAX and he stuck to his guns."

Thanks for sharing the number comparison. I think I just look at the 18 ppg and wish we had that with one of our bigs on an ongoing basis.

We are strong at both guards spots and SF, but PF and C is holding us back. Not sure what else we could find to improve.

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Either Collins is an undersized C (a problem in itself) and this creates another hole at PF, or this gives up assets and ignores the C position - the biggest hole on the team. I don't think this does anything for the direction of the team. 

Also, I still have pretty high hopes for PJ and really like his overall game. The success of the team has had a lot to do with ball movement and PJ fits in that scheme very well. 

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