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Matt Rhule “I thought Scott was masterful today”


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6 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

The picks make it obvious the Panthers are leaning on this information. I wonder if there is actual correlation to NFL success? This is the first year I have seen this RAS discussed regularly. 

They use it to confirm what they see on the field.

this isn’t raiders drafting of the past where you see them take extremely talented athletes with no football resume to back it up. We use both. Which I think is good.

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Sam Darnold: His defenders say he just needs a chance in a better environment. He will get that.

The Carolina Panthers didn't draft a quarterback in the first round, even with Justin Fields and Mac Jones on the board. They already traded Teddy Bridgewater.

In the second round, the Panther selected LSU receiver Terrace Marshall Jr., a fantastic college player who slipped due to injury concerns. He'll be paired with D.J. Moore and Robby Anderson, a pair of 1,000-yard receivers. Darnold also has superback Christian McCaffrey with him. Then in the third round, the Panthers added to the line by drafting BYU tackle Brady Christensen. It's a good situation.

The Panthers are showing a lot of faith in Darnold, and not much of it has been earned. The dysfunctional Jets situation has been blamed. Now we'll have a chance to see.

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9 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

The picks make it obvious the Panthers are leaning on this information. I wonder if there is actual correlation to NFL success? This is the first year I have seen this RAS discussed regularly. 

I think this is just the analytics part of it that I keep hearing mentioned in NFL circles, they probably have certain athletic  benchmarks players need to meet to be considered. I think the Colts are similar with their approach. 

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55 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He seems like a risky pick based on injury and lack of athleticism and shaky hands.  I dont think we are in a position as a franchise to being picking risks in the 2nd. 

Who lacks athleticism and has shaky hands?

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12 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

They use it to confirm what they see on the field.

this isn’t raiders drafting of the past where you see them take extremely talented athletes with no football resume to back it up. We use both. Which I think is good.

I do too. I am curious how much it factors into the process. 

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Love this strategy. They’re drafting superior athletes who are coachable a round or two later than comparable talent, which means we sign them for cheap. Everyone wondering how we are going to fill out the holes in our roster with our cap limitations... this is how you do it. There will be some misses, sure, but I feel optimistic based on seeing what Rhule and Co. did with the roster last year. 

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Fitterer has finesse.  The ability to move up and down the draft without doing dumb moves.  When compared to past trade moves ( Little,  Kelvin, Everett, and Amanti Edwards) if it was not so painful it would be funny.  This is what a competent GM looks like.  Just to compare check out Giants and WFT to us after the draft.  

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3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I genuinely just don't see what the plan is, if there is one. I hope it becomes clearer with time and success.

I do.  Get as many picks as possible to increase the amount of young talent across the board and hope enough of them pan out to make us a contender.  This is how teams become consistent winners.  If enough of the picks pan out.  Or change coaches every 3-4 years if they don't pan out.

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All three new players Friday were very productive college players and “elite athletes,” as Rhule said, available on the second day of the draft only because of minor perceived deficiencies.

For Marshall, it’s his medical history. For Christensen, he’s 24, meaning he’s a year older than Darnold, who is about to play his fourth NFL season. For Tremble, he’s a tight end who was used as a blocker most of the time at Notre Dame and so the question is whether he can develop as a receiver or just be Chris Manhertz 2.0.

Still, the Panthers deserve some credit for turning what was going to be two picks on the second day of the draft into three by the end of Friday.

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