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The worst with a clean pocket, the worst in the red zone…


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It’s funny how some people point to stats like this….let’s forget the fact that he was destroyed every other play, but do you not think that the talent around him factors in to his red zone and “clean pocket” stats? If he has little talent at WR that does not gets separation along with terrible play calls what do you think the results will be? Some defended Cam to the death last year because of a lack of talent around him (cough cough) but will point at stats like this as to why our QB is trash. 
 

Darnold has the ability to turn things around here. He’s 24 and we have seen QBs have a complete turnaround with life after Gase. If he does not work out,  it’s not like we are tied down for 5 years and will be crippled with guaranteed money. It’s a low risk high reward move we have made and I’m not sure what is so had to understand about that

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4 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

His 4th camp....

His 1st with us, a lot of the same excuses / hype were made for T2G, I'm waiting to see. However; I was 100% on board with Fields, talent / value of the rookie contract with Sam AT THAT TIME only on a 1yr / 4M deal. 

I would have let them battle it out in camp, and used the money to sign a corner this off-season or next. I'd have been ok going after a Peterson, Sam doesn't strike me as a get us to the playoffs talent, and I don't see anything in his game that could be considered elite -- at least with guys like Cam (early), Lamarr, Russel, Kyler, and even Josh Allen is they possess upper tier athleticism so even if you say they process slower:

1) You have to account for them in the run game, short yardage / redzone

2) Limits man coverage as the DBs eyes are off the QB

3) Makes the HB better

Now if you want to throw in the OSU QB stigma, USC HAS THAT SAME STIGMA (Leinart, Sanchez, JDB, Barkley, etc.)

Nice logic. I'm fine with anyone being against the Sam trade, Lord knows it confused me at the time, but the "Sam is trash" comments just strike me as BS trolling. Your opinion is well thought out and nicely presented.

Let's all hope your wrong 🙂

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3 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

It’s funny how some people point to stats like this….let’s forget the fact that he was destroyed every other play, but do you not think that the talent around him factors in to his red zone and “clean pocket” stats? If he has little talent at WR that does not gets separation along with terrible play calls what do you think the results will be? Some defended Cam to the death last year because of a lack of talent around him (cough cough) but will point at stats like this as to why our QB is trash. 
 

Darnold has the ability to turn things around here. He’s 24 and we have seen QBs have a complete turnaround with life after Gase. If he does not work out,  it’s not like we are tied down for 5 years and will be crippled with guaranteed money. It’s a low risk high reward move we have made and I’m not sure what is so had to understand about that

Teddy had weapons, even with CMC out of the line up. 

People defending Cam because people know what he's capable of. 

QB's or ''a'' QB (Tannehill), who else thrived after Gase, also Tannehill had already ''earned'' an extension prior to Gase's arrival he was already proven, he regressed under Gase THEN returned to form in TEN. 

Darnold hadn't even convinced the team that drafted him to keep him, there's a difference. 

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10 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

His 4th camp....

His 1st with us, a lot of the same excuses / hype were made for T2G, I'm waiting to see. However; I was 100% on board with Fields, talent / value of the rookie contract with Sam AT THAT TIME only on a 1yr / 4M deal. 

not sure the camps with gaze count

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2 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

Nice logic. I'm fine with anyone being against the Sam trade, Lord knows it confused me at the time, but the "Sam is trash" comments just strike me as BS trolling. Your opinion is well thought out and nicely presented.

Let's all hope your wrong 🙂

As much as anyone else, I want us to WIN, however I don't let common sense elude me either. At least I try not to. I don't care who the QB is IF WE'RE WINNING. 

I just don't like the idea of signing / trading for unproven talent, because we're on the hook for 18M, and if he's good ''IF'' we're looking at paying PREMIUM QB money in just 2 seasons. Where as if Fields hit's his potential, you have up to 5 years of modest QB money, and with all the young guys we have coming up, we'd have less need to let 1 or 2 walk, especially considering the savings on Shaq's contract in a season or two (20-25M in savings in 22 / 23 if memory serves).

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There's a very high chance Darnold is a bust. He was mediocre to downright awful on the Jets, with flashes of potential sprinkled in. 

Knowing that, the Panthers still traded for him, and then passed on Justin Fields. The Panthers were so desperate to get rid of Teddy Bridgewater, but refused to double down at the QB position to get it solved. Doesn't make any sense to me. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

not sure the camps with gaze count

The NFL is the NFL, even on the worst teams. 

I think the turn-around could be more similar to Baker and CLE vs Tannehill and TEN. Freddie Kitchens had no idea what he was doing. 

I want us to win with whoever is under-center, I just preferred the talent / monetary value Fields provided at #8 over a corner. 

Look at the last several SB winning / participating teams, none of them had high end DB pedigree, they all had top end QB play, and / or weapons ALL OVER on offense, and a pass rush, with at least one high end back end safety. 

You're not looking at -- LAR (One of the best offenses in the league THAT year) / KC, and TB enough said, it's an embarrassment of riches for each / SF best run game in the NFL with Deebo, and Kittle, top tier pash rush (Sherman past his prime)

I'm not ignoring defense, but winning teams can score at a high clip, and have enough defense to match that at the premium spots. 

I like to idea of building a full defenses, just not at the expense of a QB at #8. With all the trades we made, we could have added corner depth. 

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22 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

His 4th camp....

His 1st with us, a lot of the same excuses / hype were made for T2G, I'm waiting to see. However; I was 100% on board with Fields, talent / value of the rookie contract with Sam AT THAT TIME only on a 1yr / 4M deal. 

I would have let them battle it out in camp, and used the money to sign a corner this off-season or next. I'd have been ok going after a Peterson, Sam doesn't strike me as a get us to the playoffs talent, and I don't see anything in his game that could be considered elite -- at least with guys like Cam (early), Lamarr, Russel, Kyler, and even Josh Allen is they possess upper tier athleticism so even if you say they process slower:

1) You have to account for them in the run game, short yardage / redzone

2) Limits man coverage as the DBs eyes are off the QB

3) Makes the HB better

Now if you want to throw in the OSU QB stigma, USC HAS THAT SAME STIGMA (Leinart, Sanchez, JDB, Barkley, etc.)

Spending the 8th pick on a QB erases any notion of a camp "battle".  Top-10 picks start.  Period.

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11 minutes ago, hepcat said:

There's a very high chance Darnold is a bust. He was mediocre to downright awful on the Jets, with flashes of potential sprinkled in. 

Knowing that, the Panthers still traded for him, and then passed on Justin Fields. The Panthers were so desperate to get rid of Teddy Bridgewater, but refused to double down at the QB position to get it solved. Doesn't make any sense to me. 

This 100%, Sam was not so PROVEN that you bring him in WITH NO COMPETITION and he only costed 4M at that time, you take the QB when they're there because the position is that important. 

You'd always be able to trade Sam just like we did T2G down the line. 

 

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22 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

Teddy had weapons, even with CMC out of the line up. 

People defending Cam because people know what he's capable of. 

QB's or ''a'' QB (Tannehill), who else thrived after Gase, also Tannehill had already ''earned'' an extension prior to Gase's arrival he was already proven, he regressed under Gase THEN returned to form in TEN. 

Darnold hadn't even convinced the team that drafted him to keep him, there's a difference. 

I was referring to the headline stat about red zone and a clean pocket being Darnold. He has zero talent around him on top of terrible play calling, and a terrible line.

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It’s a 22 million cap hit over 2 years for a starting QB…..It’s not going to kill us if it does not work out. Our coaching staff has already shown the ability outperform expectations and I’m willing to let them try on Darnold. Our staff has also shown that they aren’t afraid to move on if it does not work out so again it’s a low risk high reward scenario.  

 

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