Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Sean Ryan on key Darnold improvement (P-Wire's Rizzuti) & my $0.02

top dawg

By top dawg,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

NAS Grand Master

NAS

Posted
Posted
59 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Yeah, he never become the the best he could have been. 

He had the talent to be the best to ever play the game. 

Prior to last year, Josh Allen looked like a bust, but he made a significant jump and was an MVP candidate.

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted
21 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

Some qbs definitely improve at the pro level. 

 yeah, I have never argued that they don't.

I'm arguing you don't change their DNA.   You aren't going to be able to coach ice water into David Carr's veins while in the pocket.   You got it or you don't.  You aren't going to be able to coach that crazy ball out of Favre.    You aren't going to coach Cam into playing it safe with his body when he thinks the team really needs the play.  

and if someone is a poor decision maker, hesitant, etc.....you aren't going to change that IMO 4 years into a NFL career.  It's been there too long. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PhillyB Grand Master

PhillyB

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Part of the reason I never fell in love with Newton (pre or post Draft) was because his mechanics sucked.

He got by on sheer talent. He improved as a player, but he never made that quantum leap that Rodgers expected him to (after he played against us when Newton was a rookie, Rodgers said he was glad that the Packers were playing us now rather than when Newton made the leap).

It seems like Darnold is more coachable so far, but I agree the test will be when the pocket starts collapsing during the season.

imagine watching five years of cam's progression from struggling as a rookie with a great offensive line and steve smith as a wideout to carrying the team to a super bowl with a poo line and ted fuging ginn and suggesting cam wasn't coachable or didn't make a quantum leap lmao

  • Pie 1
  • Poo 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Ghostface Chilla Rising Star

Ghostface Chilla

Posted
Posted

I'm excited to see Sam play for the Panthers. As an SC (Trojans) fan, I watched his entire college career and we had some really great and exciting games under the bright lights, such as the Rose Bowl game against Penn St. When I lived in the Carolinas from 2015-2019, I was always wondering how Sam would look with the Panthers. When Carolina traded for him, I was pumped to say the least. Granted, his NFL start with the Jets was not going well, I have faith that he can be great with an organization like the Panthers. 

  • Pie 2
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
glenwo2 Grand Master

glenwo2

Posted
Posted (edited)

If it's "coach speak", why make this thread and post the article at all then?  🤷‍♂️

 

I mean...what Sean said wasn't wrong at all.   Footwork is essential to be able to throw accurate passes and what-not.

IMO, it just seems as if some people here just don't want Sam to be successful because they wanted Justin Fields and are throwing a tantrum like little kids.

Edited by glenwo2
  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Tr3ach Grand Master

Tr3ach

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, CRA said:

 yeah, I have never argued that they don't.

I'm arguing you don't change their DNA.   You aren't going to be able to coach ice water into David Carr's veins while in the pocket.   You got it or you don't.  You aren't going to be able to coach that crazy ball out of Favre.    You aren't going to coach Cam into playing it safe with his body when he thinks the team really needs the play.  

and if someone is a poor decision maker, hesitant, etc.....you aren't going to change that IMO 4 years into a NFL career.  It's been there too long. 

 

Maybe not but I wouldnt say its impossible.   I feel like decision making is a trait that's a lot different than the others you mentioned.   I feel like decision making can be helped by scheme and even just the way the quarterback makes their roads.  Starting by simplifying the decisions you're asking the qb to make and building from there.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Rocky Davis Veteran

Rocky Davis

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, PhillyB said:

imagine watching five years of cam's progression from struggling as a rookie with a great offensive line and steve smith as a wideout to carrying the team to a super bowl with a poo line and ted fuging ginn and suggesting cam wasn't coachable or didn't make a quantum leap lmao

I am not going to disagree that Cam carried that team on his back, but it was still the same Cam as the previous seasons. 

Cam always relied on his extraordinary athleticism and never really changed his mechanics as a QB.  With all the pounding and abuse he took under Ron and Co. he was never going to do that forever and as we saw when the injuries started piling up Cam wasn't able to carry the team or any team with his freak athleticism any longer.  He never "grew" into a prototypical NFL quarterback and his mechanics never fundamentally changed.....there was always reversion back to his natural instincts.  This can be blamed on two things in my opinion:  1.) Cam was who he was and there was no way to really change what was ingrained in him over 20+ years and 2.) to be able to make that sort of change as a QB you have to have protection and time to gain confidence that the change being asked for is possible...he never had that!  Personally I think it was a combo of the two.

Are we going to see the same with Darnold?  I think the answer lies in if we ever give him the protection and peace of mind that Cam never had.  I think there's a better chance of a change with Darnold, but without a solid O-line he'll revert to running around slinging it trying to make plays. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • CamWhoaaCam
      Is Charlotte the worst sports city right now?

      By CamWhoaaCam · Posted

      Let it all out bro.   At the end of the day Charlotte fans just aren't that passionate as other fans. The Panthers and Hornets crowds are wack.    Go to a Canes game and you will understand this. Tell the family I said hi and Happy Father's Day.
    • Seltzer
      Is Charlotte the worst sports city right now?

      By Seltzer · Posted

      Dude you have no idea what you're talking about. Best place to live?  LMAO... that's your criteria...  Charlotte gets put all over those lists too... come on man... and those lists have zero to do with sports. I'm done after this bc I'm punching down intellectually here... The Panthers have been bad for 6 years now. You are obviously young and not overly educated based off the "dunks" you're putting out there that certainly are, so let me educate you today on the Panthers. The Panthers sold out for well over a decade straight. BOA has been as good an environment as there is when the team is good.  Fan support for the Panthers has been incredible when the team has even remotely reciprocated. The idea that Charlotte doesn't support the Panthers is utter BS. People in Raleigh have the biggest little brother syndrome of all time... Nobody outside of the Triangle cares about any of your "vaunted" sports team outside of Duke-UNC in basketball on a national scale. Sure, the Canes are great. But nationally, the WWE dwarfs the NHL in ratings. More people care about Cody Rhodes than Sebastian Aho... or anyone else in the NHL for that matter... I doubt less than 5% of anyone in this state outside of Raleigh even knows who that is... that's a knock on Aho who is a great player, it's just the NHL barely makes a ripple in the overall hierarchy of American sports. It's not in the same universe as the NFL or NBA no matter how badly you want to tell yourself otherwise. Raleigh is not a big-time sports city, no matter how much you want to scream into the abyss about it. Neither is Charlotte. But no one here is making such a nonsense argument... LOL it's good to be young and to be ignorant enough to be confidently wrong... WTF are you even on this board though since Charlotte is so beneath you? There is an actual discussion board on this very site for Raleigh sports since they are so superior...  Maybe it's bc I'm watching Idiocracy with my son, but your timing is perfect, my man... The dumbest among us have become the most confidence in their ignorance... God Bless America!!
    • CamWhoaaCam
      Is Charlotte the worst sports city right now?

      By CamWhoaaCam · Posted

      You do know the biggest military base in the US is located just an hour from Raleigh in Fort Bragg right? Military families are family oriented. A hour drive to games is nothing compared to traveling 3 hours to Charlotte.   Cmon man there is nothing happening in Western Carolina other than Charlotte. I only go west for outdoor activities and some nature/mountain views.
×
×
  • Create New...