We really rolling with this offensive line?

[mav1234]

Hard to trust a process when what we've seen from the OL has been so dismal.  I agree they know more than us, but man...

[BurnNChinn]

2 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

zod trolling for clicks on a football free sunday

This all day. I was just fixing to say he is now just complaining about this when the other week said we was fine. Good times indeed!

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Not really. What Marty did was throwing poo against the wall and seeing if it sticks. As a matter of fact, Panthers fans complained for many years that we weren't making any moves at all in free agency. Marty's issues were more on the business side--contract-value analysis, and balancing all the pieces. Plus, I dare say, that even after only two drafts, Rhule (or Rhule-Fit) is better at personnel evaluation.

Per our old buddy Brett, after 2003 Marty perpetually believed we were just a player or two away from another championship.

I see that as a big reason for his failure, quite possibly the biggest reason.

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, frankw said:

Actually classic Marty Hurney is thinking what you're doing is great and will pay off in spades while everyone else is looking at you perplexed. It's been ten years of this through two different GM's. We are hoping a similar approach will yield us different results in the short term. There is nothing unreasonable about that observation.

Yeah... nobody's doing that.

[jayboogieman]

2 hours ago, ickmule said:

Rhule does not impress me one bit so far.  I wonder how many seasons he will get before Tep sends him packing ? 

At least two more after this one. Tepper won't pay him to sit at home all those years left on that contract. Besides, it's way too early in the rebuild to truly worry about winning.

Edited September 5, 2021 by jayboogieman

[bigdavis]

2 hours ago, Zod said:

Eat a dick

 

Touch of class.  That's setting the tone for the rest of us.

Let the pissing contest begin...

[bigdavis]

1 hour ago, joemac said:

So come Sunday is Sam stays clean and the o line they put out there looks decent will everybody around here calm down about the damn line for at least a few days? 

Don't be silly.  Of course they won't.  Trolls gonna troll.

[DaveThePanther2008]

4 hours ago, Zod said:

So, we really doing this? Starting the season with a huge Achilles heal? 

 

I thought for sure a trade for at least an average left guard was a certainty. Everyone and their mother knows Elfein is horrid.

You know Brady and Brown may have problems initially but they will grow as they play.  I think there is a far more upside to let these players learn and grow with game time experience. I do believe, based on what I have read, that Brown and Christensen can do no worse that what we are proposing to put on the field. 

[onmyown]

1 hour ago, joemac said:

You all act like we have the worst ranked O Line in the NFL year after year. 

The average oline rank for literally the last 10 years is…..

18.

The average rank of the last 4-6 teams left in the NFL come playoffs in the past 20 years is….

like 5.

There is a reason people freak out about it. Nothing is worse except a bad defense.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, joemac said:

So come Sunday is Sam stays clean and the o line they put out there looks decent will everybody around here calm down about the damn line for at least a few days? 

Can't speak for anybody else, but one game isn't gonna settle everything for me.

We could very easily start out looking like refried hippo sh-t but gel into a much better unit over the season, or begin the season looking great but look worse down the road.

Talk to me in November.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd reverse the question: Did we really believe a top O-Line was gonna be built in one offseason?

My read this offseason has been that they're signing stopgap vets (minus Moton, of course) while looking to build the line of the future primarily via the draft.

Will it work? Don't know, but I can respect the approach.

Going all in on a single season when you're realistically in a rebuilding stage would be classic Marty Hurney.

Well, I am not sure we built any in this past offseason so....

[chbright]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd reverse the question: Did we really believe a top O-Line was gonna be built in one offseason?

My read this offseason has been that they're signing stopgap vets (minus Moton, of course) while looking to build the line of the future primarily via the draft.

Will it work? Don't know, but I can respect the approach.

Going all in on a single season when you're realistically in a rebuilding stage would be classic Marty Hurney.

Let's see, the last few years no decades is to work on both the QB position and both lines.

We had mediocre line last year. half the o-line solved from last year's team: Moton and Miller/paradis. Those last 2 are serviceable and upgradable but we're not going to kill us. Unless you start both and down grade other positions and by God that's what we actually accomplished. 

We go into FA with a great plan: target O-line depth. Not sold on elf as a solid backup but hey had to take some chance there. Cam Erving was fine as a backup hold the fort for a few game as a starter. Not thrilled with these at the $ but they are solid depth. Although solid depth for a playoff team with high aspersions. Or low end starters like they are here. They are the "all in style moves" to make a run if your good starters go down for a short time, these are the guys with experience you want vs young guys still learning the trade. Rebuilding teams don't really focus on experienced vets at this level for their backups. Backups for a rebuilding teams are the development guys.  So we did exactly what Hurney would have done (woops).

Enter the draft. Still needing to really upgrade the starting line and what do we do, go completely counter to the trend and go CB 1st. I love horn, he will be absolutely great. Odds are they don't throw his way in later years and that's nice. 

We had the chance to really lock down a top guy in Slater or Darrisaw to find another bookend and take an average line from 2020 to a above average line. This would have been anything but all in. Thank ron if you wish for gifting us a win with Haskins, but it wasn't like it was a 1 guy class at OT. Then we later go find a conversion project in Brady and a guy that needs some conditioning in brown.  Im fine with this as we need that as a rebuilder but left us in a real mess at the starting unit. If we wanted to really build it thru the draft swing and a miss in the 1st

So now we are looking at starting 2 backups (stop gap backups at that) to start the year. They had a chance to really take a step forward but did the exact opposite.

So yeah we have a reason to be concerned. Especially with the QB not having a track record of over coming a suspect line.we could now go another off-season still needing help at OT and QB. We could have solved the OT in the draft day 1 but went counter to the trend. So now we will be right back here next year with a boat load of skill players but no line or QB to get them the ball. We saw that story the last couple years. But hey let's try again......

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, I am not sure we built any in this past offseason so....

We kept our best lineman for the next several years. That's a start.

We also drafted a couple of guys that look promising. Will they live up to that promise? Don't know, but that needed to be done and it was.

As for the rest, if I recall correctly, nobody's on a deal longer two seasons, so even if the signings are badd it's not like we're hamstrung long term.

[Moo Daeng]

I'm not going to flip out now. Remember when Zod was pushing the line about how bad the offense would be heading in to 2015 to get people riled up?

Never forget that he has no clue what he's talking about and is only concerned with pushing the easiest narratives to spark a reaction.