Panthers Offensive Line Grades from PFF

[45catfan]

23 minutes ago, Zod said:

Take with a grain of salt. 

Cam Erving 60.0

Pat Elfelin 51.3

Matt Paradis 73.2 (wtf?)

Dennis Daley 54.1

Taylor Moton 74.7

The Saints DL is looking at this an licking their chops.  Oh, and who didn't see this hot mess coming?  Most of us did, but the somehow caching staff didn't???

[Khyber53]

They basically held up against probably the strongest positional group for the Jets. One sack for the game is an acceptable level I guess and pressures (7) happen. 

Rushing plays, however, lacked any sort of steady push and pulling guards were so bad that the whole idea of it was shelved quickly, turning the run game one dimensional. Luckily, CMC finds a way no matter what.

Do we even send our O-line guys to the weight room or just down to Golden Corral after practice?

[Darknight]

I read somewhere that a PFF grade between 70-75 is starter quality. I don't know about that grade from Paradis.

[d-dave]

I held my breath a lot after each snap.  PFF ratings aside, I think it's really obvious that our OL is not good enough.  Rhule needs to light a fire under some butts this week.  They are going to have to play better if we're ever going to have a convincing play action game plan.

[bythenbrs]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

For context Erving was graded at 58 for 2020 and Elflein was graded at 48.

So, both showed improvement over last year.  Sweet!   /s

Edited September 13, 2021 by bythenbrs

[bythenbrs]

56 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

They basically held up against probably the strongest positional group for the Jets. One sack for the game is an acceptable level I guess and pressures (7) happen. 

Rushing plays, however, lacked any sort of steady push and pulling guards were so bad that the whole idea of it was shelved quickly, turning the run game one dimensional. Luckily, CMC finds a way no matter what.

Do we even send our O-line guys to the weight room or just down to Golden Corral after practice?

Golden Corral buffet is highly under rated on a price/volume basis...  Just saying.

[Ricky Spanish]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

Erving-Christensen-Paradis-Brown-Moton pls

Why aren't we starting the rookie that the team graded as a 1st rd guard

*2nd round guard

3rd round tackle

That's what he said in the video.

[Newbie]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

Erving-Christensen-Paradis-Brown-Moton pls

Why aren't we starting the rookie that the team graded as a 1st rd guard

We had him rated him as a second round guard. 

[Al Morgan]

I went back and watched clips a little bit more. Overall, the guards weren't that bad. A lot of their bad plays was the result of a difficult assignment. You can clearly see that the Jets DT are extremely good and there's only so much an average/above average Guard can do against those too.

I can't say who is who, but Elflein went against the better DT most of the game and it clearly showed. Still, he played smart football and was good at limiting him, given his lack of strength compared to the opponent. Daley was helped most of the game by Paradis.

The only sack that was allowed? 3 D-linemen stacked 1 on 1 against our 3 inside. There is little you can do skill wise or scheme wise.

Pressures? Most of them, the result of Elflein trying to slow down a vastly superior opponent.
 

Before judging the O-Line, I'd like to see them play against more average competition.

Also, Erving played smart football and was consistent most of the game.

 

 

The run game was good for the most part. But we're not really good at mauling the opponent, and that really shows in short distance situation. Only a good scheme design can help us there, or putting a Deonte Brown in

[45catfan]

This is how we solve the problem, run 2 TE sets....max protect, bench Darnold and run CMC out of the wildcat every play.  No? 

[My Goodness My Guinness]

Seemed like most pressure came from the interior. Tackles both did a good job and Sam got the ball out quickly.

[t96]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Other than Paradis, seems fairly spot on. It is what we thought it was. One stud and four problem spots.

Paradis was good yesterday and he was good last year. He's not amazing by any means but not a problem spot.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, t96 said:

Paradis was good yesterday and he was good last year. He's not amazing by any means but not a problem spot.

Someone find me that hilarious gif of him getting forklifted into Darnold's lap.

[AU-panther]

For those of you surprised by Matt’s grade you need to remember PFF o-line grades are based on both passing and rushing snaps.

Go look at Paradis run grade vs pass grade.

Also fans tend to grade offensive lineman based off of the occasional terrible play but occasionally that doesn’t tell you the full picture.

Player A can give up 2 pressures, 1 sack, no penalties, and block great in the run game.

Player B can give up 5 pressures, 0 sacks, 2 penalties and have several missed blocks in the run game.

A lot of  fans will think player A played worse because all they notice or remember is the one sack.