It may not be the QB . . .

[BrianS]

Another topic here got me thinking, and then digging.  We continue to see our QB's throwing interceptions left and right.  We are frustrated.  Understandable.

And I don't think it's on the QB anymore.  Let me show you what I dug up.

Last year, the Denver Broncos were the most intercepted team in the NFL.  Vic Fangio, HC.  Pat Shurmur, OC.  This year, the Broncos are the 10th *least* intercepted team in the NFL.  All while employing our castaway, Teddy Bridgewater at QB.

Last year, the Carolina Panthers were tied with the Jags as the 4th most intercepted team in the NFL.  Matt Rhule, HC, Joe Brady, OC.  This year, the Panthers the 2nd most intercepted team in the NFL.  Sam Darnold, PJ Walker, Cam Newton.  Doesn't matter.

We now have seen four QB's play in the Joe Brady system.  All of them have looked like turnover machines.  TB5 leaves, and he reverts to being the solid game manager he's always been.

We've been blaming our QB's for throwing picks, and I'm utterly unconvinced this is their fault.  Any of them.  Teddy is looking more credible by the day at this point. 

 

[Khyber53]

Scheme has a lot to do with it. If your scheme is predictable, your route running is vanilla, then cornerbacks around the league will see it on tape and be able to jump routes.

Our nearly complete lack of play action passing also means that the defense rarely has to cheat up to stop the run on passing plays.

Basically, we're not a very complex team offensively. They've said time and again it is because they are installing it slowly and making sure the QBs have it down before adding more. The problem is that of the three QBs we've had as starters (Bridgewater, Darnold, Cam) all three have been pro starting QBs elsewhere in their careers, and in the case of Teddy and Cam at multiple teams. These guys can handle the full weight of professional QB duties from the get go. The only one without that experience is PJ Walker and well. 

What we have, though, are coaches that aren't used to handling the pro level load. They're literally feeling their way along blindly, adding a bit here and there. They are trying to learn the pro game while they are in the midst of it. Basically, though, they are performing as if Tepper had hired on a bunch of free-labor college interns. 

Yeah, we're not very good and the rest of the league pretty much knows it and understands how we can be beat. 

[mickeye76]

I see your thought process.  Two things bout TB though. 

1. With us he seemed to be getting acclimated back into the league after a long injury hiatus.  A little rusty and gunshy. 

2. Reason for being a bit shaky is partly cause our oline is dogdoodoo. The Denver oline is young and talented.  Also they have a legit running game.  

I blame the coaches for the way they "addressed" the oline, the Darnold experiment and the lack of a committee approach to the running game.  All That wheeling and dealing in the draft and I'm the only one that thought AJ Dillon and an offensive lineman would have been useful?

 

[Scott12345]

they beat the lions yesterday...not impressed

denver will gag it...no playoffs

[Snake]

Our game design as a whole is just flawed. It's why you see that. 

[KillerKat]

I said in the gameday thread that every play all of our receivers are blanketed. Hardly ever open, but the opponents receivers are open what seems like almost every play. That's scheme and coaching.

[BIGH2001]

It’s analytics 

[BIGH2001]

1 minute ago, KillerKat said:

I said in the gameday thread that every play all of our receivers are blanketed. Hardly ever open, but the opponents receivers are open what seems like almost every play. That's scheme and coaching.

Exactly. Even Shula could actually scheme guys open. Remember we played an entire year without even an average NFL receiver on the roster and we went 15-1.

[Newbie]

16 minutes ago, Scott12345 said:

they beat the lions yesterday...not impressed

denver will gag it...no playoffs

They are competitive right now. We are not. 

[chknwing]

firing Brady was not going to be the quick fix.  You cant just change an offense thats already installed on the fly without confusing everyone.  Rhule and Nixon have to use the poo Brady installed until the end of the year because they have no choice.  They can try and alter it a little but thats it.  As you saw in that first drive, it was completed scripted.  Which is the big issue.  Rhule and company does not know how to play chess with other teams.  After their initial moves, they are unable to plan moves ahead.  That comes with experience and there is zero of that on this team.  experience teaches experience.  Rhule would have been better off brought in as a coordinator under the tuteledge of an experienced coach.

[KSpan]

33 minutes ago, Newbie said:

They are competitive right now. We are not. 

No they're not. They beat bad teams and wilt against good ones, just like their starting QB. They've benefitted from one of the easiest 2021 schedules to date.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

Carolina's a dumpster fire for sure, but Teddy B sure isn't any kind of answer. Maybe Denver gets into the playoffs but as has been discussed as nauseum on here, being just good enough to sneak to the playoffs shouldn't be the objective.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Def not faulting any of the current qbs but even if we were to move on from Rhule, it’s going to be hard for any coach to want to come in and inherit this mess we have currently, he’s basically going to be spending his first season trying to fix what Rhule has already messed up by picking up sams option and trading picks for him and Henderson. 
 

we can only hope that this o line can be fixed adequately in one offseason and we can deal with the qb issue if there still is one the following season. It’s a cluster fug 

[ickmule]

It is partly QB too, we haven't had a really good  capable QB since 2015. 

[rippadonn]

When the game starts they're never ever ready. Coach said it was Joe or it must be Teddy. Coach said he won't eat his toast and he threw away Cam, I'll eat my toast with green eggs and Sam.

He wouldn't trust in Justin. No cheesey ass Mac. No green eggs no Sam. Call Cam back.