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Albert Breer on Rhule's job security


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From Justin Mason (@Masonjt24): Matt Rhule out as Panthers head coach if the Panthers don’t make playoffs? #KeepPounding

Justin, obviously, Matt Rhule would have a hard time, like any NFL coach, surviving three straight playoff-less seasons. But there are two reasons to think David Tepper might remain patient. One is what’ll be left on Rhule’s seven-year, $63 million deal at the end of the year. Two is that this was a very big swing for Tepper, and it’s pretty clear he doesn’t like to be wrong.

So yeah, in all likelihood, the playoffs will be the barometer. But if the team’s up and down early and catches fire late but just misses the playoffs, based on how invested the franchise has been in Rhule, I could see there being a path to him surviving it.

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2 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

In all seriousness, there's almost nothing he can do to get fired this season or next. Record doesn't matter.

Breer thinks it's at least possible, but I know the comments about Tepper "not wanting to be wrong" aren't something anybody wants to hear.

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Breer thinks it's at least possible, but I know the comments about Tepper "not wanting to be wrong" aren't something anybody wants to hear.

Tepper does know that even if you, personally, do not admit you are wrong everybody else knows. You can lie to yourself all day long, but we all know whats up.  This is assuming we have another terrible year....which I am not so sure is going to happen.  Maybe im being a homer, but I really do think they are going to turn things around this year and at least battle for a playoff spot.  This is not a team bereft of talent. 

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6 minutes ago, CRA said:

translated more simply:

Rhule should be gone.  But Tepper is stubborn and made a bad deal, so he might stay

I would not be surprised if any improvement is used as the reason to retain Rhule. Yeah, we went 7-10 but that's improvement and we expect to be in the playoffs next year with Matt Corral next up on our neverending QB carousel.

 

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 I think it depends on what happens.

If we stay healthy and go 2-15, Rhule will be gone.  We will all celebrate.
If we go 7-10 after being decimated by injuries (Baker and Ikem go down for instance) Rhule will probably stay. 

Sam's putrid play cost us 2-3 games last year.    If we had won 7 games, there might be fewer torches and pitchforks.

 

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