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Official Cleveland Browns at Carolina Panthers Gameday Thread

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glenwo2 Grand Master

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3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think we will be nearly as unwatchable as last season even if we are not successful. Unless Baker gets injured.

He wasn't great but it's clear that he adds an element of being able to suddenly come back that we don't usually have. That's not nothing.

As I said earlier, was it Baker getting better in the 2nd half or was it the Browns being in control and just calling off the dogs a bit...

Let's see what Baker does in the next game....

 

...if he starts out as well as he finished this game, then there's reason to be encouraged that, at the very least, the team will be watchable this season. 

 

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Just now, Waldo said:

You are not wrong and it is an important distinction from last year. He will be who he was in Cleveland, some dry games and some stat padding games. He will not carry a win often. 

Yeah, but I also don't think this is a roster that was very well set up to win. Add the worst HC in the NFL, a dash of bottom third coaching staff and that isn't much of a recipe for success.

I can't put a lot of this game on Baker, although he didn't play particularly well.

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Just now, ECHornet said:

I’m good as well. Just tired of hearing whiny fans complaining incessantly. 

The only people I see complaining are the ones saying we lost because of one bad call by the refs.  No, we lost because we played like garbage the entire game and one bad call was the final nail in the coffin after they dug their own graves.  You are not going to win games when you give up that many rushing yards in the first half and you can't run the ball yourself, lucky they were in it at ALL toward the end.   

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