Ickey (Again)

[Wolfcop]

6 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

That’s the difference between UNC alumni and fans compared to the other two colleges. Carolina fans, for the most part, can put away some petty dislike for the college if it helps the Panthers or Hornets. 
 

hard not to like Ickey. Charlotte kid. Really good prospect. 

I was a huge Julius Peppers fan. Once they don the Panthers uniform, all that ends. 

[Snake]

18 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Let's be honest.  It wasn't exactly a difficult pick to make.

Let's be honest, with Rhule and snow everything can be difficult. Like Drafting a CB over Justin Fields. 

[Wolfcop]

2 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

I was a huge Julius Peppers fan. Once they don the Panthers uniform, all that ends. 

...oh, and even pulled hard for Felton and May. That one didn't work out as well, unfortunately. 

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, trueblade said:

We've heard how much a micro manager Rhule was. He was involved in everything.

You think he personally scouted all our draft prospects?

[The Lobo]

Bless his heart. 

[Luciu5]

Remember when there was a whole thread about his knees?

[ChuckWag78]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Let's be honest.  It wasn't exactly a difficult pick to make.

Wow. Someone has a short memory. Any one of the top 3 tackles could have been the first OT taken. QB was an option (a reach but an option). Ickey was scouted as a mauler in the run game with work needed in pass pro. Looks like the work has been done so far. 

[firefox1234]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

Let's be honest, with Rhule and snow everything can be difficult. Like Drafting a CB over Justin Fields. 

Or slater because of short arms….

[RumHam]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Fitt drafted him, credit where it’s due

Squirrel finds the nut

[CPantherKing]

1st pass play. Hendrickson comes around Ickey to make the stop from behind the screen pass. 1st down if Ickey stays with his block. Result is a punt.

2nd pass play. Roll out. Ickey doesn't have to pass block from LT position.

3rd pass play. Ickey is beat bad by Hendrickson and PJ has to twist and turn to get away from the sack. He escapes the pocket and throws an incomplete pass with the timing route messed up due to Ickey. Result punt.

4th pass play. Ickey get beat bad to his inside on a stunt letting Hendrickson get leverage on BC and in the face of PJ. Slow to pick up the stunt on the DT. Result is no passing lane for PJ and a quick check down under pressure to Blackshear.

5th pass play. Swing pass.  No pass blocking necessary.

6th pass play. Double team with BC on one defender. No pass rush.

7th pass play. 1st good block with a pass set.

8th pass play: WR screen. Ickey makes the wrong read and goes after the wrong defender. Ickeys defender has a free run at PJ and PJ rushes the screen pass. Incomplete.

9th pass play: Hendrickson stunts inside beating Ickey bad. Hendrickson blows up the pocket and pressures PJ to step up in the pocket and scramble for a 6 yard gain.

10th pass play: Hendrickson whips around the outside of Ickey. Ickey lunges for air. Hendrickson levels PJ, but PJ gets the ball away to throw it out of bounds and not take the sack.  Result is another punt on back to back horrible plays by Ickey.

11th pass play: Ickey with a good kick step and protects PJs blind side for a completed 3 yard pass.

12th pass play: Ickey with a good set and block on the pass with a straight 4 man rush.

--- End of PJ --- 3 good - 3 neutral - 6 bad

13th pass play: Ickey has no rusher. Blocks down on BCs defender.

14th pass play: Ickey gets put on skates and bull rushed into Mayfield's lap. Mayfield get the pass off before Mayfield has to dodge Ickey.

15th pass play: Ickey with a good block on a quick out.

16th pass play: Ickey is put on skates being bull rushed into Mayfield. BC saves Ickey on a quick check down by Mayfield.

17th pass play: Ickey stops Hendrickson for the 1st time with a good punch.

18th pass play: Ickey pass sets well and stones his Hendrickson giving Mayfield the time to throw the first TD of the game. 7-35 3Q

19th pass play: Ickey with a good punch on the DT from the inside. Hendrickson dropped into coverage.

20th pass play: Ickey is tricked by Hendrickson to set wide. Hendrickson beats Ickey inside and levels Mayfield. Mayfield throws the ball up and it falls incomplete. Results in a punt.

--- backups come in to play for the Bengals going into the 4th quarter --- 3 good - 2 neutral - 3 bad

21st pass play: Ickey with a good set and stops his pass rusher.

22nd pass play: Ickey with a good kick step and stops his pass rusher.

23rd pass play: Ickey with a good set and stops the backup pass rusher.

24th pass play: Ickey picks up the stunt.

25th pass play: Defender drops into coverage. Ickey blocks down on DT.

26th pass play: Ickey locks up his defender on a screen pass.

27th pass play: Good pass set. Stops pass rusher.

28th pass play: Good pass set. Pass rusher does not try to rush.

29th pass play: Good kick step. Pass rusher is hesitant to make a move.

30th pass play: Slow pass set. Poor pass rush. No pressure from rusher.

31st pass play: Ickey sets too wide and gets beat inside. BC bails him out with his defender in Mayfield's face during the pass.

32nd pass play: OL fires off the line near the GL. No pass set. Quick pass.

--- end of game --- 9 good - 2 neutral - 1 bad

 

When it matters; 6 good - 5 neutral - 9 bad. Hendrickson had his way with Ickey.

Add in garbage time v back-ups; 15 good - 7 neutral - 10 bad. Ickey pads his play against 3rd team DE.

You are welcome. Ickey struggled when it mattered and cost the Panthers a few drives. Opinion unchanged. He is an all pro guard and sucks against NFL speed rushers at OT.

[KillerKat]

2 hours ago, trueblade said:

Rhule drafted him. He had roster control. 

If Rhule gives Fitt a free pass for the bad moves, he doesn't get credit for the good ones.

Its obvious to everyone Fitt had more control of the draft this year except later rounds and udfa.

 

[ClawOn]

2 hours ago, trueblade said:

We've heard how much a micro manager Rhule was. He was involved in everything.

I'm guessing the game was Fitterer convincing Rhule Ickey was the guy he always wanted

[4Corners]

15 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

1st pass play. Hendrickson comes around Ickey to make the stop from behind the screen pass. 1st down if Ickey stays with his block. Result is a punt.

2nd pass play. Roll out. Ickey doesn't have to pass block from LT position.

3rd pass play. Ickey is beat bad by Hendrickson and PJ has to twist and turn to get away from the sack. He escapes the pocket and throws an incomplete pass with the timing route messed up due to Ickey. Result punt.

4th pass play. Ickey get beat bad to his inside on a stunt letting Hendrickson get leverage on BC and in the face of PJ. Slow to pick up the stunt on the DT. Result is no passing lane for PJ and a quick check down under pressure to Blackshear.

5th pass play. Swing pass.  No pass blocking necessary.

6th pass play. Double team with BC on one defender. No pass rush.

7th pass play. 1st good block with a pass set.

8th pass play: WR screen. Ickey makes the wrong read and goes after the wrong defender. Ickeys defender has a free run at PJ and PJ rushes the screen pass. Incomplete.

9th pass play: Hendrickson stunts inside beating Ickey bad. Hendrickson blows up the pocket and pressures PJ to step up in the pocket and scramble for a 6 yard gain.

10th pass play: Hendrickson whips around the outside of Ickey. Ickey lunges for air. Hendrickson levels PJ, but PJ gets the ball away to throw it out of bounds and not take the sack.  Result is another punt on back to back horrible plays by Ickey.

11th pass play: Ickey with a good kick step and protects PJs blind side for a completed 3 yard pass.

12th pass play: Ickey with a good set and block on the pass with a straight 4 man rush.

--- End of PJ --- 3 good - 3 neutral - 6 bad

13th pass play: Ickey has no rusher. Blocks down on BCs defender.

14th pass play: Ickey gets put on skates and bull rushed into Mayfield's lap. Mayfield get the pass off before Mayfield has to dodge Ickey.

15th pass play: Ickey with a good block on a quick out.

16th pass play: Ickey is put on skates being bull rushed into Mayfield. BC saves Ickey on a quick check down by Mayfield.

17th pass play: Ickey stops Hendrickson for the 1st time with a good punch.

18th pass play: Ickey pass sets well and stones his Hendrickson giving Mayfield the time to throw the first TD of the game. 7-35 3Q

19th pass play: Ickey with a good punch on the DT from the inside. Hendrickson dropped into coverage.

20th pass play: Ickey is tricked by Hendrickson to set wide. Hendrickson beats Ickey inside and levels Mayfield. Mayfield throws the ball up and it falls incomplete. Results in a punt.

--- backups come in to play for the Bengals going into the 4th quarter --- 3 good - 2 neutral - 3 bad

21st pass play: Ickey with a good set and stops his pass rusher.

22nd pass play: Ickey with a good kick step and stops his pass rusher.

23rd pass play: Ickey with a good set and stops the backup pass rusher.

24th pass play: Ickey picks up the stunt.

25th pass play: Defender drops into coverage. Ickey blocks down on DT.

26th pass play: Ickey locks up his defender on a screen pass.

27th pass play: Good pass set. Stops pass rusher.

28th pass play: Good pass set. Pass rusher does not try to rush.

29th pass play: Good kick step. Pass rusher is hesitant to make a move.

30th pass play: Slow pass set. Poor pass rush. No pressure from rusher.

31st pass play: Ickey sets too wide and gets beat inside. BC bails him out with his defender in Mayfield's face during the pass.

32nd pass play: OL fires off the line near the GL. No pass set. Quick pass.

--- end of game --- 9 good - 2 neutral - 1 bad

 

When it matters; 6 good - 5 neutral - 9 bad. Hendrickson had his way with Ickey.

Add in garbage time v back-ups; 15 good - 7 neutral - 10 bad. Ickey pads his play against 3rd team DE.

You are welcome. Ickey struggled when it mattered and cost the Panthers a few drives. Opinion unchanged. He is an all pro guard and sucks against NFL speed rushers at OT.

Omg dude get a life 

[CPantherKing]

1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

Omg dude get a life 

You act like it takes forever to review 32 plays for a single player.  Took 10 minutes.

I could say Ickey struggled against Hendrickson causing several problems for PJ and ending drives in the first half, and had his success in garbage time against back-ups, but people would just push that aside and think he was one of the better OTs in the NFL with his pass blocking. So, I just put his plays out there.

They can argue with the plays and Hendrickson's success against Ickey.

Ickey can be an all pro guard. He is not even in the top 20 of LTs in the NFL.