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We currently have the #2 pick in the draft :)


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10 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Easy you're going to hurt his brain

My brain already hurts reading day in day out that Wilks is a good HC and Corral is better than all the QBs in this draft. Plus I’ll add people saying moral victories are worth more than an actual assets in draft capital 

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10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

2019: 5 wins / 16 games
2020: 5  wins / 16 games
2021: 5 wins /  17 games
2022 (so far): 3 wins / 11 games

60 total games,18 wins, 50 losses

It's accurate 😕

And literally 2020 is the only season you could even say felt kind of good.  At least there was some hope.  

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The last QB (not named Manning) selected in the top 5 to win a SB for the team that drafted them was Troy Aikman in 1989. Elway would have been the last top 5 QB to win a SB in 1997/1998 if you allow for draft day trades. It took him 15 years to win a SB for the Broncos. 

Hard pass. Trade down.

Jeff George, Drew Bledsoe, Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, Steve McNair, Kerry Collins, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith, Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, Alex Smith, Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Mitchell Trubisky, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, and Trey Lance have been all the rest since Troy Aikman's success for the Cowboys.

These are the type of QBs that get you no where and traditional scouting misses on.

 Do you want to add to this list? I know there are some that will continue to hang on to hope for Murray, Burrow, Tua, Lawrence, Wilson, and Lance since they are the newest to the long line of top drafted QB flops. A couple of them may get to McNair, Collins, Ryan, and Newton levels, but they will at best be a 10+ year franchise QB who never wins you the big game against QBs that scouts believed were lesser value QBs coming in to the NFL.

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    • Oh good lord Interest doesn't mean interest in making a bad trade to take the player, that's why I had such a long post, to accurately describe why those are two different things, but you don't like to listen to that stuff.  Being interested in a player doesn't live in a vacuum. It's very simple... there isn't a #1 draft pick type of grade on any of these QB's, if there was, we'd just take them.  You can't bluff a pick everyone knows you won't make, and trying to trade the pick is the CLEAR signal that you're not taking the QB. Just because the Raiders would have interest, doesn't mean they're going to bail us out of a situation we don't want to be in, they'd be smart about it and just sit put, let us take a non QB as we'd be telling the world we're not taking one just by trying to trade the pick, and then they'd take him at #2 (either with their own pick or by trading less to get that one). Oh, and your point of "if nobody is willing to make the trade, you obviously just take the best QB" is quite literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. If nobody is willing to trade up to take the QB, then it's OBVIOUS that the QB isn't worth taking with that pick, so OBVIOUSLY taking the best QB there is just OBVIOUSLY stupid and a bad pick. The moral of it is if there is a QB worth taking, we're taking them and not making the trade.  If there isn't a QB worth taking there, nobody is trading up to #1 to take one, we just showed the NFL how bad of an idea that is 2 years ago, it's really not hard to see. You keep making up this mythical situation where there is a QB who has shown to be worth trading up to #1 for and we'll be able to leverage that into a trade.  But we're the most QB needy team in the league, if we end up with the #1 pick, either we are taking a QB #1 or no QB is going #1 unless we get VERY lucky and two teams in the Top 5 fall in love with one prospect and we can play them off each other and fleece one of them. But again, I can't see that happening, as if there was a QB worthy of that, we're just taking him ourselves.
    • Sanders is with Tom Brady brand and that's his mentor. The Raiders owner was with Sanders taking pics at a Vegas game together.   It doesn't take much to connect the dots that Vegas will be interested in Sanders as their franchise QB. Oh yeah and guess who hasa small ownership stake in the Raiders Tom Brady.   I guess this is just another made up Madden idea by me huh?
    • Bro I don't mind debating you, but did you really have to write all that to get your point across.   This isn't Madden. If you have the #1 pick you literally control your own destiny. If nobody wants to trade which I have a hard time believing they won't then you obviously take the best QB.   I think we will have suitors. If that's Madden then so be it.
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