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“I don’t think they draft a QB”

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tukafan21 Grand Master

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31 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Then go all in for Lamar stop messing around 

The guy couldn't finish last season and it cost his team the playoffs and he couldn't finish this season and it's going to cause them to get bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

In what world is trading a whole bunch of high draft picks for him and then giving him a monster fully guaranteed contract even a halfway decent idea?!?!?!

It would be the most idiotic thing any franchise could do, there is a reason the Ravens haven't given him a long term deal yet, they know what everyone else knows and are just hoping if they hold out long enough, some team out there will make a massive mistake and trade for him instead.

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6 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

So what do you have in mind then, if they don’t draft a qb? 

I'm not convinced they won't. But if not, try a modest trade for Carr and look to next season.

Going with something that's less than ideal just because you have to have it now is a path to bad things.

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15 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I prefer to wait for #QB2025 or #QB2026. Gotta keep kicking that QB can down the road. It is the Way.

I hear you. Doesn’t change the fact 2024 is our year to land a franchise QB in the draft. 
 

Not to mention the rumors (albeit unlikely) that Stroud could return to Ohio St. 

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1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

Derek Carr, draft a guy where we're comfortable taking one.  Carr, rookie, Corral, and Darnold go into camp.

This.  There is more than one round.  Draft the best candidate in the second round, where the team’s player assessment aligns better with draft position.  Why draft a second round talent in the first round?

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26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not convinced they won't. But if not, try a modest trade for Carr and look to next season.

Going with something that's less than ideal just because you have to have it now is a path to bad things.

Seriously, it's like some people don't understand that in the NFL, you can't do everything you want to do in every off season, sometimes the players just aren't there with what you have at your disposal in terms of draft and cap capital.

I don't even think it will be a trade for Carr, I think he becomes a Free Agent as I can't see what team out there right now is in need of a QB and would be willing to take on his current contract.  

But I'm 100% on board with giving Carr a shot this year if we can get him on a good deal and wait on drafting a QB next year if Carr sucks.  He's never had good coaching and has been routinely let down by his defenses his whole career.

Give him our defense and quality coaching (i.e. one of these OC candidates) and I think he can be very successful, especially if we then use that #9 pick on a WR with speed to take the top off and allow DJ to be that possession WR across the middle.

Carr in that situation would be a significant upgrade of Teddy/Darnold/Baker by a very wide margin. 

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39 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

I hear you. Doesn’t change the fact 2024 is our year to land a franchise QB in the draft. 
 

Not to mention the rumors (albeit unlikely) that Stroud could return to Ohio St. 

I guarantee you 3/4 of that list will be deemed "Not worth a first round pick". Seems to have been the same song and dance every season. 

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6 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I guarantee you 3/4 of that list will be deemed "Not worth a first round pick". Seems to have been the same song and dance every season. 

If the guys listed in that tweet were in this year’s draft, what would your top 6-10 look like?

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3 hours ago, ncfan said:

Will Kunkle who covers the Panthers just said on WFNZ 

“I don’t think the Panthers draft a QB”  

“They don’t like any of the QBs that are expected to be available.  And do not want to move up for one of these guys.”

 

Hopefully this means that Fitt isn't going to overpay just to gamble. If one of the guys they don't expect to be available falls, they'll still take him I think.

Glad to hear that they're going to make sure they get a quality player rather than just targeting a position.

 

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    • tukafan21
      With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

      By tukafan21 · Posted

      Oh good lord Interest doesn't mean interest in making a bad trade to take the player, that's why I had such a long post, to accurately describe why those are two different things, but you don't like to listen to that stuff.  Being interested in a player doesn't live in a vacuum. It's very simple... there isn't a #1 draft pick type of grade on any of these QB's, if there was, we'd just take them.  You can't bluff a pick everyone knows you won't make, and trying to trade the pick is the CLEAR signal that you're not taking the QB. Just because the Raiders would have interest, doesn't mean they're going to bail us out of a situation we don't want to be in, they'd be smart about it and just sit put, let us take a non QB as we'd be telling the world we're not taking one just by trying to trade the pick, and then they'd take him at #2 (either with their own pick or by trading less to get that one). Oh, and your point of "if nobody is willing to make the trade, you obviously just take the best QB" is quite literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. If nobody is willing to trade up to take the QB, then it's OBVIOUS that the QB isn't worth taking with that pick, so OBVIOUSLY taking the best QB there is just OBVIOUSLY stupid and a bad pick. The moral of it is if there is a QB worth taking, we're taking them and not making the trade.  If there isn't a QB worth taking there, nobody is trading up to #1 to take one, we just showed the NFL how bad of an idea that is 2 years ago, it's really not hard to see. You keep making up this mythical situation where there is a QB who has shown to be worth trading up to #1 for and we'll be able to leverage that into a trade.  But we're the most QB needy team in the league, if we end up with the #1 pick, either we are taking a QB #1 or no QB is going #1 unless we get VERY lucky and two teams in the Top 5 fall in love with one prospect and we can play them off each other and fleece one of them. But again, I can't see that happening, as if there was a QB worthy of that, we're just taking him ourselves.
    • CamWhoaaCam
      With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

      By CamWhoaaCam · Posted

      Sanders is with Tom Brady brand and that's his mentor. The Raiders owner was with Sanders taking pics at a Vegas game together.   It doesn't take much to connect the dots that Vegas will be interested in Sanders as their franchise QB. Oh yeah and guess who hasa small ownership stake in the Raiders Tom Brady.   I guess this is just another made up Madden idea by me huh?
    • CamWhoaaCam
      With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

      By CamWhoaaCam · Posted

      Bro I don't mind debating you, but did you really have to write all that to get your point across.   This isn't Madden. If you have the #1 pick you literally control your own destiny. If nobody wants to trade which I have a hard time believing they won't then you obviously take the best QB.   I think we will have suitors. If that's Madden then so be it.
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