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Breaking: Lamar Jackson is available as Raven's have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on him.

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3 minutes ago, joemac said:

LOL how is this a mess?  Nothing has even happened yet, and all indications are saying we are going to be extremely aggressive to get our guy. 

It's a mess because we are about to trade even more assets away for someone who may or may not be worthwhile. Add to that we may be trying to trade with a Conference foe who already has a QB and we could just be mortgaging our future to look up at them. We have a solid QB and can't add talent around them. 

That's the trade-off and why I'd rather trade down, stack talent, and work on getting enough picks to take Maye or Williams next year. You can stack, stack, stack talent on days 1 and 2 in this draft but we are going to avoid doing that to take a guy like Will Levis. 

I'd be good with Anthony Richardson, though not trading up much to get him, or Stroud. The recent history on teams who have traded up for QB's isn't pretty, at all. None of them since 2015 are on the team that drafted them. 

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2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Again, getting to 1 isn’t a for sure thing. There are no FA QB’s available that are the answer long term. Fitterer isn’t in a position to sit and wait come draft night 

I’m all for throwing picks at Chicago until they say yes because it’s time so don’t think I’m against any of this I’m just telling you the pickle we’re in and the pressure Fitterer is under to deliver 

Yeah I agree. I dont think Fitt is waiting till draft night to make a move. He needs to secure that plan WELL before the draft. 

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So if the Ravens decide to match the contract, does he have to sign it? I get that they can match what he agrees to with another team, but if they decide to match can't he just refuse to sign? This is assuming he is done with Baltimore and wants out.

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Yeah I agree. I dont think Fitt is waiting till draft night to make a move. He needs to secure that plan WELL before the draft. 

If we do end up at 1 I believe most of the mock trades floating around with pick compensation going to Chicago will seem very light versus what we actually give up 

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1 hour ago, thunderraiden said:

 



League MVP without a deal.

He was an MVP 4 years ago and he’s pretty much performed worse in every statistical category each year since then and hasn’t played a full season since 2020. I don’t really get the narrative. Hard pass on trading 2 firsts plus the contract. I’d be down for signing him to the right deal if he were a free agent, but he’s not.

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1 minute ago, CPcavedweller said:

It's a mess because we are about to trade even more assets away for someone who may or may not be worthwhile. Add to that we may be trying to trade with a Conference foe who already has a QB and we could just be mortgaging our future to look up at them. We have a solid QB and can't add talent around them. 

That's the trade-off and why I'd rather trade down, stack talent, and work on getting enough picks to take Maye or Williams next year. You can stack, stack, stack talent on days 1 and 2 in this draft but we are going to avoid doing that to take a guy like Will Levis. 

I'd be good with Anthony Richardson, though not trading up much to get him, or Stroud. The recent history on teams who have traded up for QB's isn't pretty, at all. None of them since 2015 are on the team that drafted them. 

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2 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

It's a mess because we are about to trade even more assets away for someone who may or may not be worthwhile. Add to that we may be trying to trade with a Conference foe who already has a QB and we could just be mortgaging our future to look up at them. We have a solid QB and can't add talent around them. 

That's the trade-off and why I'd rather trade down, stack talent, and work on getting enough picks to take Maye or Williams next year. You can stack, stack, stack talent on days 1 and 2 in this draft but we are going to avoid doing that to take a guy like Will Levis. 

I'd be good with Anthony Richardson, though not trading up much to get him, or Stroud. The recent history on teams who have traded up for QB's isn't pretty, at all. None of them since 2015 are on the team that drafted them. 

If we cannot get Stroud or CJ then I would be ok with a trade down and running with Corall... and Jimmy our way to a QB next year. 

That said.. I dont think anyone on that building would want that. We are getting a QB this year one way or another.

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2 minutes ago, bigpoppa said:

So if the Ravens decide to match the contract, does he have to sign it? I get that they can match what he agrees to with another team, but if they decide to match can't he just refuse to sign? This is assuming he is done with Baltimore and wants out.

He'd have to have signed it for them to match it.

They have a week to decide.

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1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

If we do end up at 1 I believe most of the mock trades floating around with pick compensation going to Chicago will seem very light versus what we actually give up 

Yeah.. As a guy that loves draft season.. the next few years will be pretty boring I think. 

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If Baltimore matches a deal I'm not convinced that Lamar will accept it and go back to Baltimore.  No team wants a player that doesn't want to be there and you certainly don't want to pay this player a mega contract.  

 

 

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It's not exactly the Steelers' MO but I'd love to see him go to a division rival via the non-exclusive tag. Obviously the Browns and Bengals are set at QB so Pittsburgh is the only option there. 

 

I think he winds up getting much less of a market than he hoped for and he goes back to the Ravens for a somewhat reasonable (not fully guaranteed) contract. Either way I hope like hell we don't even bother with exploring this. Regardless of the contract (which will have to be ridiculous to snatch him away) I don't want to give up 2 firsts for a QB who won't even be healthy come playoff time and who averages like 2500 passing yards a season

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