QB breakdowns by Josh McCown

[Luciu5]

4 hours ago, Buckeye Homer said:

Young is a better athlete but Stroud is the better QB.  

I wouldn't say that. I've watched a bunch of both and to me Young can do things that Stroud either can't or won't. Some of the throws he makes, it's like you can't teach that. Full field reads. Not just one play, but all over his tape. Hardly any of that in Stroud's tape. Young is the clear cut number one QB in this draft without any question, if it wasn't for his size.

All that said, Stroud is no slouch and wouldn't mind him, but Young is the safer pick in a lot of respects, besides size. Stroud struggles with pressure, which Young just avoids it easily. Young doesn't lower his eyes like Stroud does. Stroud takes sacks while Young turns a negative into a positive. Stroud stays on his 1 receiver too long and doesn't go through his progressions quickly enough - meaning either slow processing or indecisiveness. A lot of these negatives are coachable.

Personally, I think I've actually talked myself into Young. I think I would take the injury risk. Barring career ending injury, I think Young will be an elite QB in the NFL. I think Stroud will possibly become an elite QB in the NFL.

[csx]

34 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

I wouldn't say that. I've watched a bunch of both and to me Young can do things that Stroud either can't or won't. Some of the throws he makes, it's like you can't teach that. Full field reads. Not just one play, but all over his tape. Hardly any of that in Stroud's tape. Young is the clear cut number one QB in this draft without any question, if it wasn't for his size.

All that said, Stroud is no slouch and wouldn't mind him, but Young is the safer pick in a lot of respects, besides size. Stroud struggles with pressure, which Young just avoids it easily. Young doesn't lower his eyes like Stroud does. Stroud takes sacks while Young turns a negative into a positive. Stroud stays on his 1 receiver too long and doesn't go through his progressions quickly enough - meaning either slow processing or indecisiveness. A lot of these negatives are coachable.

Personally, I think I've actually talked myself into Young. I think I would take the injury risk. Barring career ending injury, I think Young will be an elite QB in the NFL. I think Stroud will possibly become an elite QB in the NFL.

You say clear cut without any question but that's obviously not true.  There's plenty of questions and they are reflected in the different preferences/rankings 

[Buckeye Homer]

4 hours ago, amcoolio said:

CJ is very similar to Dak Prescott.

Not really.  CJ is a FAR more polished passer than Dak ever was.  

						Passing
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
Career	Mississippi State					734	1169	62.8	9376	8.0	8.3	70	23	146.0
*2012	Mississippi State	SEC	FR	QB	12	18	29	62.1	194	6.7	9.4	4	0	163.8
*2013	Mississippi State	SEC	FR	QB	11	156	267	58.4	1940	7.3	6.8	10	7	126.6
*2014	Mississippi State	SEC	JR	QB	13	244	396	61.6	3449	8.7	8.8	27	11	151.7
*2015	Mississippi State	SEC	SR	QB	13	316	477	66.2	3793	8.0	8.7	29	5	151.0

 

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
Career	Ohio State					575	830	69.3	8123	9.8	11.2	85	12	1
*2020	Ohio State	Big Ten	FR	QB	1	0	0		0			0	0
*2021	Ohio State	Big Ten	FR	QB	12	317	441	71.9	4435	10.1	11.4	44	6	186.6
*2022	Ohio State	Big Ten	JR	QB	13	258	389	66.3	3688	9.5	10.9	41	6	177.7

[therealmjl]

7 minutes ago, Buckeye Homer said:

Not really.  CJ is a FAR more polished passer than Dak ever was.  

						Passing
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
Career	Mississippi State					734	1169	62.8	9376	8.0	8.3	70	23	146.0
*2012	Mississippi State	SEC	FR	QB	12	18	29	62.1	194	6.7	9.4	4	0	163.8
*2013	Mississippi State	SEC	FR	QB	11	156	267	58.4	1940	7.3	6.8	10	7	126.6
*2014	Mississippi State	SEC	JR	QB	13	244	396	61.6	3449	8.7	8.8	27	11	151.7
*2015	Mississippi State	SEC	SR	QB	13	316	477	66.2	3793	8.0	8.7	29	5	151.0

 

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
Career	Ohio State					575	830	69.3	8123	9.8	11.2	85	12	1
*2020	Ohio State	Big Ten	FR	QB	1	0	0		0			0	0
*2021	Ohio State	Big Ten	FR	QB	12	317	441	71.9	4435	10.1	11.4	44	6	186.6
*2022	Ohio State	Big Ten	JR	QB	13	258	389	66.3	3688	9.5	10.9	41	6	177.7

By just pulling out those stats you could say the same about Haskins(rip) or Fields - neither of which are/were/will be a better passer than Prescott

[amcoolio]

I meant in terms of smooth collected passing and finding the open receiver with perfect mechanics, but not improvising much or scrambling. If you watch his tape, it looks like Dak Prescott's NFL tape.

 

I think Dak is CJ's floor. If he never improves, he will be as good as Dak Prescott. Which is not bad and a safe #1 pick, but you'd hope for more. Its up to our staff to get the most of him, by all accounts he seems coachable.

Edited March 13, 2023 by amcoolio

[Buckeye Homer]

2 hours ago, Luciu5 said:

wouldn't say that. I've watched a bunch of both and to me Young can do things that Stroud either can't or won't.

There are many that believe that Young is the best QB in the draft.  I don't think his game will translate as well to the NFL than Stroud's but who knows?  

https://atozsports.com/nashville/nfl-evaluators-rank-2023-nfl-draft-qb-prospects-post-combine-news

[Buckeye Homer]

12 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

By just pulling out those stats you could say the same about Haskins(rip) or Fields - neither of which are/were/will be a better passer than Prescott

I agree that stats don't tell the full story, but Stroud is night-and-day a better passer than Dak ever was; it's not close.  

[Rocky Davis]

I think Young is the best QB and has it all.  Intelligent, athletic, arm, legs, turns negative plays into positive ones.  I think he is very mature and if Alabama didn't have him last year they probably would have had a 4-5 loss season.

Stroud is good, but I am not sure he reads the field as well as Young does.  Can he get better?  Yes, but he's behind Young in that department and I don't know if the instincts Young shows are things Stroud can acquire.

It's nice to have options though....unless we do trade with the Texans.

[Wolfcop]

Young might be the best QB in history, but that does us no good if that slight frame doesn’t hold up. 

[Luciu5]

2 hours ago, csx said:

You say clear cut without any question but that's obviously not true.  There's plenty of questions and they are reflected in the different preferences/rankings 

Beyond size/durability concerns, what questions are you seeing regarding Young?

[Jackie Lee]

2 hours ago, Luciu5 said:

Beyond size/durability concerns, what questions are you seeing regarding Young?

Going back to the combine interviews, I love both guys. Bryce is very humble and shy, Stroud came out like an alpha but in a respectable way. Levis reminds me of a jock from revenge of the nerds. Just some things to think about for locker room chemistry. I'll take Stroud if it's coming down to a leadership situation

[bythenbrs]

9 hours ago, Rocky Davis said:

… athletic, arm, legs, turns negative plays into positive ones.

McCown says that Young’s “size, frame and athleticism are a major concern.” McCown is also highly complimentary of Young on virtually everything else required in an elite QB prospect.  

There are no perfect draft picks.  It’s up to the talent evaluators and coaches to weigh the pluses and minuses and assess the net ‘score’ on each candidate.  I have confidence in this administration to do so.

Edited March 13, 2023 by bythenbrs

[Martin]

Here is a short analysis by Greg Cosell. He lives Young, but also states Young played at 169 in the championship game last year, now that is a bit scary 
 

 

[Mage]

13 hours ago, amcoolio said:

I think Dak is CJ's floor. If he never improves, he will be as good as Dak Prescott. Which is not bad and a safe #1 pick, but you'd hope for more. Its up to our staff to get the most of him, by all accounts he seems coachable.

If a team knew a QB would be, at his absolute worst, as good as Dak Prescott, he would go #1 overall every single year.