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It's Stroud and it shouldn't even be close

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Young should have been on HGH the moment the CFP ended, what is that man doing?

I agree that Young would be a Lawrence/Luck level prospect if he was 2 inches taller

I disagree about Stroud being at his ceiling, he showed in the UGA game that he had some scramble ability. I think the coaching staff will work with him to be more loose and move outside the pocket. He has the speed apparently.

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31 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

He is the logical choice.  He has the best or 2nd best upside with the fewest downsides/risks. For example if Stroud were to get hurt...it is bad luck.  if Young gets hurt...well,,,that was an initial concern with him and bad decision.

I feel like we’re kind of pulling that reasoning out of thin air though. Sure, we can look at their BMIs and hypothesize on what could happen.
 

I would rather look at their personal injury histories as well as historical data on QBs similar to their sizes/playing styles and injuries. I think there are plenty of examples of QBs (Flutie, Brees, Wilson, etc.) who have shown resilience and longevity. Enough that taking the guy who is the better at playing the position (my opinion) should take priority. This is before we take into account the league really doesn’t like their QBs getting hit and have been adjusting rules to minimize QB injury risk. 

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20 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Personally I'd continue to roll the dice and go Richardson. Make that QB whisperer earn his coin with the most talented QB in the Draft. 

How is he most talented?  He can run but he doesn't have the best accuracy or elite level processing.  The latter is the most difficult to develop and some players (e.g. Darnold), never do.  

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Multiple sports books have us picking Stroud at -300, with Young at +300 and Richardson at +450.  They were right about their odds in Carolina trading for the #1 pick.   Hopefully, they're also right about us drafting Stroud.

A week ago, Alabama quarterback Bryce Young held the top spot at -240, with Florida’s Anthony Richardson leapfrogging Stroud at +380.

 

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How is he most talented?  He can run but he doesn't have the best accuracy or elite level processing.  The latter is the most difficult to develop and some players (e.g. Darnold), never do.  

How do you know he doesn't have elite level processing? Everything I've seen / read suggests he's been developing his processing at the rate you'd expect a first year starter to do, looking much better as the season went on. 

Who does have elite processing in this Draft? Are you sure Stroud isn't simply a product of a system? Does Young not leave throws on the field? 

With regards to talent, Richardson is the tallest, heaviest, fastest QB with the best arm (in terms of how strength, if not accuracy) of the leading QB group. 

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28 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Young should have been on HGH the moment the CFP ended, what is that man doing?

I agree that Young would be a Lawrence/Luck level prospect if he was 2 inches taller

I disagree about Stroud being at his ceiling, he showed in the UGA game that he had some scramble ability. I think the coaching staff will work with him to be more loose and move outside the pocket. He has the speed apparently.

Too late - you need to get on it at 11 like Messi did. 

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Good thing is that we have 2 coaches who have played the position, one fairly recently.  They should have some good insights into evaluating the QBs.  Even though we all have opinions and arguments, I am going to trust these guys.  I don't see them taking a gamble with the pick.  As Fitt said a few weeks ago..."if you trade up for your QB you better be right."

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7 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

How do you know he doesn't have elite level processing? Everything I've seen / read suggests he's been developing his processing at the rate you'd expect a first year starter to do, looking much better as the season went on. 

Who does have elite processing in this Draft? Are you sure Stroud isn't simply a product of a system? Does Young not leave throws on the field? 

With regards to talent, Richardson is the tallest, heaviest, fastest QB with the best arm (in terms of how strength, if not accuracy) of the leading QB group. 

I think you’re saying talented when you mean athletic. He’s definitely the most athletic, but also easily the least talented of the top four right now. I’d still take him over Levis for sure, and Richardson could definitely learn all the QB stuff.  But the one talent that’s hardest to get better at is putting the ball exactly where you want, and his ability to do that fluctuates wildly. 

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22 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

I feel like we’re kind of pulling that reasoning out of thin air though. Sure, we can look at their BMIs and hypothesize on what could happen.
 

I would rather look at their personal injury histories as well as historical data on QBs similar to their sizes/playing styles and injuries. I think there are plenty of examples of QBs (Flutie, Brees, Wilson, etc.) who have shown resilience and longevity. Enough that taking the guy who is the better at playing the position (my opinion) should take priority. This is before we take into account the league really doesn’t like their QBs getting hit and have been adjusting rules to minimize QB injury risk. 

I think his height is much less concerning than his build. Those three you mentioned weren’t toothpicks like Young. I dunno if he has the frame to bulk up some and be similar to Wilson or Murray, and Brees and Flutie were just naturally a little thicker than him though still not bulky.  If Young survives long in the NFL at that size (size, not height) it’ll be a moderate surprise in my opinion. 

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