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Josh Klein on the recent Bryce “smoke”

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4 minutes ago, ncfan said:

I really think the whole trade up scenario is a pipe dream by some people who would rather have Stroud.

Think this is a pretty good take on things

By this point and this late.  If they called up Houston, Houston is going to Know they probably aren’t taking the guy Houston wants, and that guy will be there at 2 anyways.  And they aren’t trading out of the top 2, so no threat of trading with someone else who will poach that guy.

Houston doesn’t seem to motivated to move up either.

 

I believe it was Sheena Quick and possibly Joe Person yesterday who said no one has even called to inquire/offer to move to 1.

Yeah - fair point.  At this point I'm truly fine with either.  I've gotten warmed up to the idea that it might be BY - so perhaps their strategy is actually working!  LOL

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39 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

Touche, but I'm still calling BS on them being mostly 50/50 up to now. Everything I've seen has been more in line with the Huddle polls.

My point stands: CJ is the least controversial pick of the bunch. Saying that as someone who prefers Bryce. Most negative thing I've heard thrown at CJ is that he was surrounded by talent.

Stroud is an excellent QB and I would be happy to have him a Panther.   He does not walk on water.

 His biggest knock is his 41% completion rate and 42 pff when under pressure, ranking 97th out of 144 QBs.   He's been called a statue in the pocket. Young's performance simply does not drop off anywhere near that far when under pressure.    If you think Stroud's pressure rate is going to stay the same as it was behind NFL lineman in the Big10, I would think again.

Read Stroud's other negatives here:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/c.j.-stroud/32005354-5270-2090-cc17-67cd6da43535

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Coleridge-Stroud-QB-OhioState

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/c-j-stroud-nfl-draft-2023-scouting-report-prospect-profile-nfl-combine-results-pro-comparison-more/

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-nfl-draft-profile-c-j-stroud-ohio-state

 

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17 minutes ago, ncfan said:

I really think the whole trade up scenario is a pipe dream by some people who would rather have Stroud.

Think this is a pretty good take on things

By this point and this late.  If they called up Houston, Houston is going to Know they probably aren’t taking the guy Houston wants, and that guy will be there at 2 anyways.  And they aren’t trading out of the top 2, so no threat of trading with someone else who will poach that guy.

Houston doesn’t seem to motivated to move up either.

 

I believe it was Sheena Quick and possibly Joe Person yesterday who said no one has even called to inquire/offer to move to 1.

Just take the better QB at 1 and be done with it.

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If I'm Houston, I would think it would be so easy to find out if it's just smoke. Inquire about a move up and if we indicate a willingness to consider it, it means that we *aren't* set on our guy as BY, which mean he will most likely be there at #2.

So the mere openness to negotiate, if the BY talk is smoke, gives away the charade, rendering any talks pointless - from the Texans' perspective.

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I apologize in advance. From this point on every new one of these Mr Magoo says Panthers are drafting XYZ threads will garner the same response.

“Did Frank Reich say it? Did Scott Fitterer say it? Did Thomas Brown say it? Did Josh Mccown say it? Did Jim Caldwell say it? No? Then I don’t believe it.”

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21 minutes ago, ncfan said:

I really think the whole trade up scenario is a pipe dream by some people who would rather have Stroud.

Think this is a pretty good take on things

By this point and this late.  If they called up Houston, Houston is going to Know they probably aren’t taking the guy Houston wants, and that guy will be there at 2 anyways.  And they aren’t trading out of the top 2, so no threat of trading with someone else who will poach that guy.

Houston doesn’t seem to motivated to move up either.

 

I believe it was Sheena Quick and possibly Joe Person yesterday who said no one has even called to inquire/offer to move to 1.

This has already been pointed out a million times 

Which is why a trade makes zero sense 

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Just now, run-run-pass-punt said:

If I'm Houston, I would think it would be so easy to find out if it's just smoke. Inquire about a move up and if we indicate a willingness to consider it, it means that we *aren't* set on our guy as BY, which mean he will most likely be there at #2.

So the mere openness to negotiate, if the BY talk is smoke, gives away the charade, rendering any talks pointless - from the Texans' perspective.

Anyone can change their mind if the price is right.  Panthers should take the call and simply ask Houston to make an offer.  If the offer makes the Panthers comfortable taking QB 1b, than accept the offer.

Houston may just want peace of mind and are willing to pay for it.  No mind games are necessary.

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6 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Anyone can change their mind if the price is right.  Panthers should take the call and simply ask Houston to make an offer.  If the offer makes the Panthers comfortable taking QB 1b, than accept the offer.

Houston may just want peace of mind and are willing to pay for it.  No mind games are necessary.

If Houston calls, and we seem even willing to move for the right price.

Then we don’t have conviction on the guy they want.  And Houston will know right away that their guy will be there at 2.

 

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