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Did the S2 TEST take CJ out?

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39 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

from Person this morning, regarding Richardson:
 

The Florida quarterback with the Cam Newton-like physiqueremains under consideration by the Panthers, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. 


You Young lovers better not get too comfortable. Lol

*Person made a note that this was only in the unlikely case they trade down.

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I read a random comment saying Young has taken this test (or something similar) since he was in high school.  I don't know if this is true, but I wouldn't doubt it seeing his dad is a psychologist or something like that.  It brings up an interesting point of whether this test is more of a standardized one, something you can prep for and get better at it the more you take it.  According to Albert Breer, Young scored a 98.

All that said, if I were an agent for future first round value QBs, I would tell them straight up, "DON'T TAKE THIS TEST"!!!!!  According to some, Stroud should now go undrafted because of this test. (Being funny)

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Everybody is looking for some way to predict whether a QB (or any position) will work out if they are drafted.

The problem I see, just from what I have read, is the proponents say the S2 correctly identified several prospects as hits and they were.

Who else did it identify as hits that were not?  Who did it not identify as a hit that were?

Numbers can be dangerous things.  I'm not saying the S2 is NOT a good identifier, I just can't conclude that based on identifying 5 or 6 guys that turned out great without knowing the false alarms or misses.

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9 minutes ago, Matthias said:

I read a random comment saying Young has taken this test (or something similar) since he was in high school.  I don't know if this is true, but I wouldn't doubt it seeing his dad is a psychologist or something like that.  It brings up an interesting point of whether this test is more of a standardized one, something you can prep for and get better at it the more you take it.  According to Albert Breer, Young scored a 98.

All that said, if I were an agent for future first round value QBs, I would tell them straight up, "DON'T TAKE THIS TEST"!!!!!  According to some, Stroud should now go undrafted because of this test. (Being funny)

Think of a memory test type of thing. 

 

Say you have 10 objects on a wall and each light up in a pattern very quickly. You've got to remember the pattern by watching the whole area at once since they light up so quickly. 

 

Those are facets of the test 

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You'll never have any aptitude or intelligence test that results in a 1:1 "this QB will succeed and this one will fail" clarity. There will be correlations to greater or lesser degree, but there will *always* be an element of conjecture in evaluating any potential draft pick. As desperate as teams are to make it "hard science", it's ultimately a fools errand, and intuition will always be an important factor. You have to have evaluators with "football eyes", and even then, they will never be able to avoid misses entirely. Fingers crossed.

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17 minutes ago, Matthias said:

I read a random comment saying Young has taken this test (or something similar) since he was in high school.  I don't know if this is true, but I wouldn't doubt it seeing his dad is a psychologist or something like that.  It brings up an interesting point of whether this test is more of a standardized one, something you can prep for and get better at it the more you take it.  According to Albert Breer, Young scored a 98.

All that said, if I were an agent for future first round value QBs, I would tell them straight up, "DON'T TAKE THIS TEST"!!!!!  According to some, Stroud should now go undrafted because of this test. (Being funny)

I'm skeptical there is any standardly applied test that you wouldn't improve on taking multiple times.  It wouldn't necessarily be that a player is learning the answers themselves... Rather, learning the best way that works for themselves in taking the test.

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