The Real Reason Bryce Being the Pick Scares Me - He'll be the Marvin Lewis of QB's

[tukafan21]

Yea, I know, another thread, but I don't think this is something I've seen discussed much on here and it's been rattling around in my head while I wait for the finale of The Mandalorian to drop here in a few minutes.  

I'm afraid Bryce will be the Marvin Lewis of QB's due to his size and it will put us in NFL purgatory for the next decade, which is SOOO much worse than just missing on a QB draft pick and needing to start over in 3-4 years with a new one.

If he flops for being the top pick, it won't be because he's terrible, it will be because he can't stay healthy for full seasons, and likely is hurt later in the season as the wear and tear builds and would miss playoff games, such as Lamar the last few years.

He'll be too good of a QB to just let walk in Free Agency, but his injury problems won't make him an attractive trade candidate either, and we'll be stuck with a QB who only is able to play 10-12 games a year.  He'll be good enough in those games that we are Wild Card contenders each year, making it some, missing it in others, but maybe never being legit title contenders if he can't be fully healthy come January and leaving us pick in the early 20's each draft as well.

That's basically what Marvin Lewis was to the Bengals as a coach, he was too good for them to fire, but not good enough when it mattered and they couldn't make playoff runs with him.  It was a terrible situation for them to be in for a long time, and I'm convinced that will happen with Bryce and whatever team drafts him.  Which is why I prefer Stroud, equally high upside, with I think a higher floor, but if he flops we'll know and be able to move on from him faster/easier than with the way Young will "flop" in my mind.

I can't lie that I'm intrigued by Young's mental side of things, the thing that stood out to me the most was that they would give him 2 plays to call in the huddle and he'd make the play call at the line, that's an NFL thing, not in college, in college the players all look back to the sideline for the final call.  But Stroud is too good of a prospect for me to take the risk on the above scenario, which I think is the most likely outcome for Bryce's career.

[Mother Grabber]

[Ocpanthertew714]

[Aussie Tank]

I would think the robotic pocket passer would be more likely to keep us in purgatory ala Jared Goff 

[rayzor]

Man we're really starting to have to stretch for reasons to not draft him.

 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

We're used to the Panthers having pointless 7 win seasons

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

If BY constantly gets injured like the OP says, it will wear him down tremendously and he won't get back to where he was. Look at Cam Newton for an example of that. It wasn't one injury that derailed his career (Watt hit was the straw that broke the camels back), it was seasons and seasons worth of wear and tear and before you know it, he goes from MVP to not being able to throw the football 15 yards anymore and off of the team.

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by Sean Payton's Vicodin

[hepcat]

[NAS]

Marvin Lewis analogy, seriously? 

[CPantherKing]

For those who know Bryce Young's philosophy and his family, you understand you are getting a QB who will exit the NFL early like an Andrew Luck. Not because he has to, but because he has had his fill of football and wants to open his next chapter in life.

You are not getting a 10 to 20 year QB mentality with Young. You are getting the short king for a short ride who will play the game the way he sees fit until he has had his fill and football loses it's fun. That philosophy is great for HS and college, but it won't hold up to fighting through the tough times in the NFL to be the best when the game becomes a grind and a job that requires the perseverance to push through no matter the cost for the betterment of the team to be the best of the best in a game that means nothing in the big picture of life.

It takes a certain type of player and mind to achieve a franchise QB level like Brady, Manning, Montana, Unitas, Staubach, and Favre.

Young is not that personality/mindset.

[kass]

One thing that I have not seen mentioned yet regarding Youngs height/weight is his shoe size. That should be discussed more. Shorter guys normally have smaller feet, and if he adds weight to withstand hits, how will this affect the pressure on the ground he is standing on. HOW WILL THIS AFFECT HIS GAME? How will this affect him being more injury prone? Will he be able to lift his feet quickly enough to not get stuck in the turf and injury himself. 

THIS HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED ENOUGH!!!111

We cannot draft him because of "insert reason".

 

I´m doing this right? 

Just start a poll so people can vote that they are against picking Young. Dont need more threads about it.

[Mother Grabber]

37 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

For those who know Bryce Young's philosophy and his family, you understand you are getting a QB who will exit the NFL early like an Andrew Luck. Not because he has to, but because he has had his fill of football and wants to open his next chapter in life.

You are not getting a 10 to 20 year QB mentality with Young. You are getting the short king for a short ride who will play the game the way he sees fit until he has had his fill and football loses it's fun. That philosophy is great for HS and college, but it won't hold up to fighting through the tough times in the NFL to be the best when the game becomes a grind and a job that requires the perseverance to push through no matter the cost for the betterment of the team to be the best of the best in a game that means nothing in the big picture of life.

It takes a certain type of player and mind to achieve a franchise QB level like Brady, Manning, Montana, Unitas, Staubach, and Favre.

Young is not that personality/mindset.

did you get this when you did your personal interviews with him?

[Mother Grabber]

30 minutes ago, Buckeye Homer said:

Bryce can keep a play alive but, ultimately, I think you want the guy that consistently provides elite ball placement by hitting receivers in stride or dropping the ball in places where only the receiver has a shot at the ball.  CJ Stroud is that guy.  I personally will be SHOCKED if you do NOT take Stroud.

 

On another note, a Yahoo guy has Young, Richardson, and Levis going 1,2, & 3.  Lol.  That guy is on acid.  

young can keep the play alive AND hit a receiver in stride, so

[Tr3ach]

3 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Yea, I know, another thread, but I don't think this is something I've seen discussed much on here and it's been rattling around in my head while I wait for the finale of The Mandalorian to drop here in a few minutes.  

I'm afraid Bryce will be the Marvin Lewis of QB's due to his size and it will put us in NFL purgatory for the next decade, which is SOOO much worse than just missing on a QB draft pick and needing to start over in 3-4 years with a new one.

If he flops for being the top pick, it won't be because he's terrible, it will be because he can't stay healthy for full seasons, and likely is hurt later in the season as the wear and tear builds and would miss playoff games, such as Lamar the last few years.

He'll be too good of a QB to just let walk in Free Agency, but his injury problems won't make him an attractive trade candidate either, and we'll be stuck with a QB who only is able to play 10-12 games a year.  He'll be good enough in those games that we are Wild Card contenders each year, making it some, missing it in others, but maybe never being legit title contenders if he can't be fully healthy come January and leaving us pick in the early 20's each draft as well.

That's basically what Marvin Lewis was to the Bengals as a coach, he was too good for them to fire, but not good enough when it mattered and they couldn't make playoff runs with him.  It was a terrible situation for them to be in for a long time, and I'm convinced that will happen with Bryce and whatever team drafts him.  Which is why I prefer Stroud, equally high upside, with I think a higher floor, but if he flops we'll know and be able to move on from him faster/easier than with the way Young will "flop" in my mind.

I can't lie that I'm intrigued by Young's mental side of things, the thing that stood out to me the most was that they would give him 2 plays to call in the huddle and he'd make the play call at the line, that's an NFL thing, not in college, in college the players all look back to the sideline for the final call.  But Stroud is too good of a prospect for me to take the risk on the above scenario, which I think is the most likely outcome for Bryce's career.

Basically what you said is exactly how I feel about Stroud.  Stroud is clearly the higher floor safer pick, Young has a higher ceiling and lower floor imo.