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Jonathan Jones: “Get your Young number 9 Jerseys ready in Charlotte”


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1 hour ago, panther4life said:

I really think it’s because he didn’t face enough adversity or consistently demonstrate an ability to look for a 2nd or third read as often as Bryce had to. 

It’s almost unfair to him that he’s being knocked down a notch because the offense he played in was so efficient that he knew where the ball was going 90% of the time pre-snap and it obviously worked.

In his last couple games he really faced tougher situations and actually rose to the occasion quite well, but just had not shown enough of that throughout the year.

Lastly, when you go back and look at the 2021 seasons, Bryce really outshined him and it’s easy to see why he won the Heisman that year.

On the flip side, CJ has shown consistent improvement and has abilities that just aren’t teachable(incredible timing, accuracy and ball placement).  
 

I feel like with Bryce you don’t have to project or guess as much what he is or can be. C.J you have to use your imagination a bit. Lastly we don’t know how they interviewed and did on the chalk board in private meetings. Clearly that had a big role in this whole decision. 

See i can read all this and then watch tape and still not know what other people are seeing. Stroud is just a better pure qb to me.

 

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27 minutes ago, frankw said:

With all this info trending toward Young only 75%? 🤔

Still a chance that Houston decides to go for Young and makes a trade. Small chance but still there. 

 

Also a few want AR over Young.  So 75/25 sounds right. 

 

AR killed it in meetings with teams, if his tape was a little bit more consistent, he'd be the pick imo. 

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19 minutes ago, GOAT said:

Men's Nike Blue Carolina Panthers Classic Elite Custom Jersey

 

Anyone know how draft night jersey pre-order works? Isn't it only picks 1-10 are available to pre-order on draft night? I know they have to wait until the players officially pick their numbers before they make them and ship them out but is it only the shitty screen printed Game jerseys they offer that quick or are the mid tier Limited jerseys (stitched but not the most expensive Elite version) also available for pre-order on draft night?

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31 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

See i can read all this and then watch tape and still not know what other people are seeing. Stroud is just a better pure qb to me.

 

That was 2 minutes lol and mostly against Michigan. I stated his last 2 games he showed more of having to go through progressions (Michigan and Georgia).

To be clear I have no bias towards Bryce and nothing strongly against CJ. I’ve always said I have CJ as 1A and Bryce as 1B. But I’ve forced myself to hear others opinions, research advanced stats to confirm what I thought I saw, and force me to rewatch and capture things I was wrong on. 

This guy does a great job of explaining why despite his talent as a pure passer this is why there are questions on Stroud:

And if you really want to do a deep dive here’s C.J’s whole 2021 season condensed down into less than a 1.5 hours. 

Lastly if you want more viewing material, you can literally google Bryce Young vs (insert team) or CJ Stroud vs (insert team) and you will find almost every one of their games condensed down into 10 minutes or less per game. 

I have literally watched 75% or more of every pass both QB’s have attempted the last 2 years this way and it’s really helped me understand who they are. 

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2 hours ago, Jaxel said:

Joe is pretty connected and is usually very fair. Interesting he sees Richardson at two. Can't imagine the Panthers passing on Stroud if the Texans offer the moon.


It’s starting to look like fans value Stroud more than the league does.

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Honest question, not trying to stir the pot, but when I read people watching film and giving grades.. Do any of them know what they're even looking at? I know a lot of people give PFF poo for their grades and they watch film for a living. 

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15 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Still a chance that Houston decides to go for Young and makes a trade. Small chance but still there. 

 

Also a few want AR over Young.  So 75/25 sounds right. 

 

AR killed it in meetings with teams, if his tape was a little bit more consistent, he'd be the pick imo. 

I figured Reich was a big fan of AR.

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