Panthers signing Yannick Ngakoue?

[KatsAzz]

How good is Yannick Ngakoue?

 

Ngakoue is a limited run defender. At 6'2″, 246 pounds, he's never been a great edge-setter. He does know how to get after the quarterback, though.

 

He's never had fewer than eight sacks in a season, and he's posted 19.5 sacks over the last two years.

[TheSpecialJuan]

18 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

How good is Yannick Ngakoue?

 

Ngakoue is a limited run defender. At 6'2″, 246 pounds, he's never been a great edge-setter. He does know how to get after the quarterback, though.

 

He's never had fewer than eight sacks in a season, and he's posted 19.5 sacks over the last two years.

I'll take it 

[TLGPanthersFan]

I never heard of him. Then I saw his stats. 

[The Lobo]

I feel like Clowney would be better just because he’s better against the run. 

[PanthersGTI]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Are folks really digging that deep into the phone call? Kinda sad tbh.

They didn't like the pick so now character assassination. 

[rodeo]

1 hour ago, The Lobo said:

I feel like Clowney would be better just because he’s better against the run. 

he's not better enough against the run to be worth it considering he's considerably worse than Yannick at pass rushing. 2 sacks in 12 games last year, might as well just go with YGM at that point.

he's also constantly hurt.

[jfra78]

7 minutes ago, rodeo said:

he's not better enough against the run to be worth it considering he's considerably worse than Yannick at pass rushing. 2 sacks in 12 games last year, might as well just go with YGM at that point.

he's also constantly hurt.

Can you believe this guy was supposed to be the next Peppers

[CPcavedweller]

10 hours ago, LordOfDaWingz said:

Yea, he was high AF but I’m sure coaches know these guys smoke in the off-season. 
 

As someone that hates talking on the phone, having to talk to 5 different people in one call would drain tf out of me no matter how short the call is lol 

Yeah, I got one of those on Monday. Turns out there were quite a few people laid off with no warning.

So draining, yes. Anytime a random meeting pops up with five people you know it isn't good.

[Prowler2k18]

Of the remaining FA EDGE/DE/OLB players, Leonard Floyd is the perfect fit for what we needed. However, it depends on his asking price and if he’s desires to be part of a team that’s resetting with a rookie QB, new staff and schemes vs a true contender.

Yannick is not the edge setter DC EJ needs in our 3-4 scheme and neither is the overrated, injury-prone and potentially overpriced Clowney. 

Edited May 3, 2023 by Prowler2k18

[Prowler2k18]

7 hours ago, rodeo said:

he's not better enough against the run to be worth it considering he's considerably worse than Yannick at pass rushing. 2 sacks in 12 games last year, might as well just go with YGM at that point.

he's also constantly hurt.

Same here. And I’m willing to give YGM a chance with this new regime. DL coach Walsh may be able to help him reach his potential if given a chance. 

[shaqattaq]

10 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I hear nothing wrong there

First, there is no problem at all if he was drunk or high there.  You could hear there were a ton of people in the background, clearly having a draft party.  Do you really think there isn't drinking and/or smoking going on at every one of these draft parties?  They're not getting drafted like a pickup basketball game and needing to jump right into the game, it would be perfectly acceptable if they were enjoying the party like any other 24 year old.  It's not like the guy showed up drunk to the green room at the draft, that would be concerning.

Second, there are always delayed responses on those calls and the coaches all know it.  Whether it's their emotions making them take a beat before getting a response out or just family not being able to control themselves and hugging, high five-ing, talking to you, etc.

Exactly! And his defense, no one was expecting him to get called until the next day, LOL

[pantherclaw]

Edge guys in a 3/4 are almost always lacking in the run defense side of things. Seriously.  Over 4 decades of football can't be wrong. 

Just set the edge, and drive them back into the meat of the defense. 

[Mistuh Jones]

I guess the guys complaining about the run d have never heard of a situational pass rusher before 

[MHS831]

16 minutes ago, Mistuh Jones said:

I guess the guys complaining about the run d have never heard of a situational pass rusher before 

Fair enough, but is that really a need with Barno and Haynes?  Haynes had 5 sacks (and 20 solo tackles) on 41% of the defensive snap counts.  Burns had 12.5 sacks while playing 87% of the snap counts.  Mathematically, if Haynes played 87% of the snap counts he would have had 10.5 sacks.  Barno had 2 sacks while playing in just 9% of the defensive snaps.  Mathematically, he would have had over 18 sacks if given 87% of the snaps.  

While I realize this is math and not performance, it does suggest performance when given opportunity. 

Evero made a revealing comment when talking to Johnson.  "Ready to rush the passer?  You realize you gotta hold the edge first, right?"  At Strong OLB, we have YGM, the raw and unproven Johnson, and the raw, unproven, and undrafted Leota.  The strong OLB basically holds the edge with 2 gap run responsibility to the passer. The weak side OLB is the pure, "pin your ears back" pass rusher because he does not have edge responsibility like the strong.   In a spread offense you could have 2 weak OLB rushing the passer--but with the strong set, you have to hold the edge because there is a TE.  Personally, I think we are decent to potentially good at WOLB, totally unproven at SOLB.

So the need is not for a situational pass rusher (although we can upgrade there as we can any position), the need is for strong OLB--those that hold the edge.  That is how I understand it.