The Athletic: Insight to Brian Burns Contract

[Mage]

Just now, pantherclaw said:

His value was already set, or the Rams never would have tried to aquire him.

Exactly. The idea that it had any bearing on what Brian Burns is seeking financially is lunacy.  

Players typically don't settle for less than they think they are worth.  Of course Brian Burns is going to push for a deal similar to what Nick Bosa is asking for, because he is the one other edge rusher seeking a contract.

[KSpan]

17 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

His value was already set, or the Rams never would have tried to aquire him.

But by not trading, he now has more leverage in knowing that Carolina views him as essential, if he didn't already. It was neutral at best but it absolutely could have reduced the potential to compromise, if not nudged a number up, given the clear roster-specific valuation.

[pantherclaw]

You're perception is perceived. 

Funny how public opinion clouds the facts.

[CPF4LIFE]

I need to see the facts that support Burns is terrible against the run. A team giving up a lot of run plays doesnt fall on one player, it seems like people are just grasping at the notion that burns has been the cause of the problem. 

[jfra78]

Burns is considered a top tier pass rusher in the league, he will be paid as such.  He knows it, his agent knows it, and the Panthers know it.  Whether we refused a trade or not, Burns has the same value because he one of a few top tier pass rushers in the league and that is a premium spot in the NFL.  Once Bosa sets the market, Burns will sign

[tukafan21]

We. Turned. Down. Two. Firsts.

Why is this so hard to figure out?

The second we did that and it was known, it meant we were going to have to overpay to keep him, we lost ALL negotiating power.

He has us over a barrel, just pay the man because keeping him on an overpay is better than losing him for nothing (wouldn’t even get a comp pick as we’d be flush with cap room that we’d use on another FA).

[Untouchable]

15 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Some interesting nuggets from the latest Athletic article.

https://theathletic.com/4832487/2023/09/04/panthers-brian-burns-hold-in/?source=user_shared_article

On what $$$ Burns is eyeing vs Panthers FO

"General manager Scott Fitterer has said repeatedly that he wants Burns around for the long term. But while Burns is eyeing Bosa-type money at the top end of the edge rusher market, the Panthers are seemingly more comfortable with a deal that pays Burns about $23 million a year, similar to what Maxx Crosby received (a $23.5 million annual value) when the Las Vegas Raiders extended him last year."

 

The Panthers are definitely significantly low balling him.  If they wanted that Crosby type deal they should have extended him last offseason not after we went out and exceeded it.

[WhoKnows]

16 hours ago, top dawg said:

Burns absolutely does NOT deserve Bosa money. He should NOT complain about Crosby money. That's basically in the ballpark where he needs to be.

Absolutely agree. Crosby has been a better player overall than Burns in their 4 years. Ahead of Burns in accolades and stats except a half sack less. With the way contracts go up each year, maybe a hair more than Crosby but that’s it.

Would have been nice if Hurney wasn’t a fug head and drafted Crosby, who we had in for a visit, to go along with Burns instead of Will Grier. Instead we took Grier first and Miller instead as Crosby was gone in between. I recall a few folks in here speaking highly of Crosby, a lot more than Grier and Miller.

Edited September 5, 2023 by WhoKnows

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Untouchable said:

The Panthers are definitely significantly low balling him.  If they wanted that Crosby type deal they should have extended him last offseason not after we went out and exceeded it.

Panthers aren't lowballing Burns at 23M a year.  

Reddick got 15 a year in a deal last year.  Von Miller got 20M a year in a deal last year. 

[joemac]

I think a deal somewhere in the area of 5 years, 125 million (25 per year average) is fair for BB.  

[Proudiddy]

I used to get real upset about this stuff as a younger fan.  But, ultimately, i'm pro-player.  Burns has every right to maximize his earnings and he deserves to be paid.   I just hope they come to an agreement soon.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Didn't we once have a lot of money tied up in Peppers/Buckner/Jenkins? We need to be very careful with how much we give Burns. If we can't make it work for us, let him go. The team's future is more important than any one player (other than QB).

[Tbe]

4 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

We. Turned. Down. Two. Firsts.

Why is this so hard to figure out?

The second we did that and it was known, it meant we were going to have to overpay to keep him, we lost ALL negotiating power.

He has us over a barrel, just pay the man because keeping him on an overpay is better than losing him for nothing (wouldn’t even get a comp pick as we’d be flush with cap room that we’d use on another FA).

It doesn’t mean any of that. It just means we didn’t want to trade away our best and only pass rusher in the middle of the season. He still has the option to test the open market.

Also, future picks are valued less than picks for the current year. In terms of value, they really offered two 2nds and a 3rd.

[Untouchable]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Panthers aren't lowballing Burns at 23M a year.  

Reddick got 15 a year in a deal last year.  Von Miller got 20M a year in a deal last year. 

Von was 32 and Reddick was 27 with less sacks over his career. Burns is 25 and the last time a player that young with that many sacks hit the market it was Joey Bosa (27 mil/year) 3 years ago. Hard to see Burns going for less than that especially after Nick Bosa goes for somewhere north of 31 mil/year.