Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Bryce Young sucks


therealmjl
 Share

Recommended Posts

Just now, Deltek44 said:

I hate disagree with some but I dont see his arm strength as a problem. Seems to make all the throws to me.

I don’t think it’s the arm strength. It’s that he’s too easy to bring down. His small stride doesn’t allow him to make easy short yard pick ups. 
 

That and his accuracy hasn’t shown up yet. He left some plays on the field today. He’s either  too quick to throw it away or he  holds the ball too long doesn’t let guys go get it. 
 

He’s so committed to structure and having the wide open guy that it makes him predictable. Reich needs to tell him to let it rip. If he throws picks it’s fine. Just move the ball. We have to get aggressive.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I’m so f*cking sick of everyone saying “Bryce needs playmakers”

#1, he’s the first overall pick in the draft. He’s supposed to BE the playmaker. Cam Newton was also a #1 overall pick, a player WORTHY of that selection because he was a true playmaker. You take a QB that needs “playmakers” to be successful in the 2nd round.

#2, these skill players aren’t nobodies. Thielen has been an extremely productive WR in the NFL. Chark is productive when healthy and to my knowledge didn’t even have a catch tonight. Miles Sanders has been productive in some very good offenses and has his preferred position coach with him. Hayden Hurst was a first round pick and has been a moderately productive TE in the NFL.

#3, this coaching staff was supposed to be “all star” level and should be getting more out of the offense. Instead it looks worse than Ben McAdoo calling plays with a paper bag on his head. Maybe there are too many cooks in the kitchen to be successful.

Maybe the Panthers are just cursed. Either way if another person says “Bryce Young needs playmakers” you’re just not right. 

  • Pie 7
  • Beer 1
  • Flames 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

He’s got no confidence in himself. He lined up behind a guard and had to be pushed by his RB to the center. I have never seen that happen before.

The stage is too big for him and he needs to sit until he figures it out. He could be the smartest kid in the world but if he doesn’t have confidence when the lights come on then it’s all for nothing.

I’d love it if he had Cam’s confidence but I’d even take Baker’s at this point.

Edited by MillionDollarCam
  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

I’m so f*cking sick of everyone saying “Bryce needs playmakers”

#1, he’s the first overall pick in the draft. He’s supposed to BE the playmaker. Cam Newton was also a #1 overall pick, a player WORTHY of that selection because he was a true playmaker. You take a QB that needs “playmakers” to be successful in the 2nd round.

#2, these skill players aren’t nobodies. Thielen has been an extremely productive WR in the NFL. Chark is productive when healthy and to my knowledge didn’t even have a catch tonight. Miles Sanders has been productive in some very good offenses and has his preferred position coach with him. Hayden Hurst was a first round pick and has been a moderately productive TE in the NFL.

#3, this coaching staff was supposed to be “all star” level and should be getting more out of the offense. Instead it looks worse than Ben McAdoo calling plays with a paper bag on his head. Maybe there are too many cooks in the kitchen to be successful.

Maybe the Panthers are just cursed. Either way if another person says “Bryce Young needs playmakers” you’re just not right. 

It's still a team sport, like it or not.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bryce isn't excused from blame but I do still believe that he has the talent to be a good QB. I honestly put the fault on Frank and his staff. Frank comes from Philly's system. They NEED to establish the run to set up the big play action downfield!! Our interior O-line is trash right now, see all of the plays where he runs Sanders into our own brick wall for no gain then we get stuck with 2nd and long, 3rd and long. This is what plagued Darnold and Mayfield during their time here. 

If ya'll watch the Philly game vs MN game, MN defense shut down their passing game and Hursts looked like an average QB. Philly ran the ball with Swift for 150+ yds and then hit Smith for those long gains. Our team does not have the talent to establish the run game right now. Even the Saints established the run game tonight to set up the big plays to Olave. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He is just super limited. Out routes? Forget it. That's a pick six. Quick slants? Better be off play action and the LBs better bite. Deep ball? Just LOL. 

The guy can basically throw screens and drags. Everything else better be WIDE. ASS. OPEN.

i hate UNC but we fuged up not taking howell last year, would have been fine with it cause he could make throws. didnt think he was the world beater others did, but nfl caliber upside sure, that was clear. thought the big year he had really was as much of superior wrs/rb duo than him. but he could hit them in small windows and in stride. stroud was my guy this year. both throw guys open and into nfl windows. 

teams are keyed into the run game when we do and bryce hasnt really shown he can hit the windows or  get it close (ATL game) when they were open. so yeah this is bad news. maybe FR is really old urban and we get better after the dino is gone. but this is a baaaaaad look.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I’m so f*cking sick of everyone saying “Bryce needs playmakers”

#1, he’s the first overall pick in the draft. He’s supposed to BE the playmaker. Cam Newton was also a #1 overall pick, a player WORTHY of that selection because he was a true playmaker. You take a QB that needs “playmakers” to be successful in the 2nd round.

#2, these skill players aren’t nobodies. Thielen has been an extremely productive WR in the NFL. Chark is productive when healthy and to my knowledge didn’t even have a catch tonight. Miles Sanders has been productive in some very good offenses and has his preferred position coach with him. Hayden Hurst was a first round pick and has been a moderately productive TE in the NFL.

#3, this coaching staff was supposed to be “all star” level and should be getting more out of the offense. Instead it looks worse than Ben McAdoo calling plays with a paper bag on his head. Maybe there are too many cooks in the kitchen to be successful.

Maybe the Panthers are just cursed. Either way if another person says “Bryce Young needs playmakers” you’re just not right. 

Cam was Superman!  That's not Bryce nor alot are!  I agree somewhat with #2 and #3

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Give me Mitchell Evans over T Sanders in this run heavy offense any day of the week. 
    • What's up gents, the OGs remember me, the guy who single-handedly gave the Panthers the greatest uniform in history moniker. Not too long after that I got involved with Pro Football Focus (pre-Collinsworth acquisition) and ended up taking backseat here to preserve some objectivity. But from a distance I noticed a lot. After the end of the Cam era this place devolved into the most un-fun, petty, negative cesspool of whining and bitching that has ever graced the internet. The worst part of it all is that the level of discussion turned into the most ill-informed, hot-take, unnuanced crap, rife with people talking out of their posteriors as if they have any clue about what they are watching. Once you get into the professional side of the sport and actual film rooms, you start to understand there's an absurd number of moving parts to pretty much every snap and the details you are privy to are truly only half the picture. The absolute most important thing I learned from being part of professional level football analysis is that quarterbacking is literally the most intricate and difficult position in all of professional sports, and that the NFL itself is struggling to develop any workable model that allows them to understand what makes one succeed vs what makes one fail. Because of this paradox it has also made the quarterback position itself grossly overvalued from a fan and media standpoint, creating an absurd fixation on the results delivered by a single player who has to rely on the contributions of everyone around them. This also drives the dreaded inflation of QB salaries that inevitably cause even elite teams to lose key talent all to pour cash into the one player supposed to be able to single-handedly elevate the entire team (and defense and special teams and coaching and ownership by some mysterious proxy), yet without those same players even talented teams can wander the wilderness searching for the right guy to take advantage of their talent window. The discussions the last few years around Bryce has personified this insanity, as this board has devolved into some sort of electronic civil war between the hyperbolic Young supporters and the vitriolic Bryce haters. The reality, like practically everything in this world, is somewhere in the middle. He has traits that can absolutely elevate a team with creativity, play recognition, off-arm angle throws, mental toughness, etc. He's also physically limited, with mostly "good-enough" qualities for most situations that a professional quarterback is asked to do, and will never be an overpowering physical force like pre-injury Cam. But "good-enough" physicality represents a large majority of championship-winning quarterbacks, even in the modern era. There's a reason the corpse of Peyton Manning took the chip from elite physical specimen Cam, because the team surrounding him was talented enough to get him there, while we all know Cam was the driving force of that 2015 team. That's no knock on him, that's just how the game of football tends to work: the more complete team usually wins. The summary is this: if this team lives or dies solely on the performance of its quarterback, then it is absolutely a paper tiger even if he plays brilliantly week in and out. There are no superheroes in this sport, there are only conduits that proxy the collective efforts of much of the team around them. And no one alive can tell you how the position is played perfectly, it's all a confluence of circumstance and what unique collection of traits each player brings to the position, which can never be truly recreated season after season, even for the same player on the same team. If this place remains a raging hellscape of idiotic hot takes I will happily remove myself again and do something more productive for yet another decade, but maybe's there hope that we can all get back to the old adage, and keep pounding.
    • Really impressed how the bottom six have looked the past couple games
×
×
  • Create New...