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Same uncertainty about Tua as with Bryce back when he started. Bigger then Bryce (6'1 225) by a bit. Analysts said he had a weak arm and wasn't athletic enough.

He couldn't hit the long pass with accuracy, if he even got the ball to the WR's at all on deep throws.

He was fragile and the 3 concussions had proven their point. Just a bullsh* t narrative. All the misgivings about him proved to be unfounded.

Fins surrounded him with WR's who had speed and could actually catch. Also a good running game and great inventive schemes to spread the field and get them open. 

Exactly what they should be doing for Bryce. This is what they should be working towards for him (and the team), to be successful. I don't know if the coach or the GM can accomplish it.....if not then find people who can.

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Just now, Jmac said:

Same uncertainty about Tua as with Bryce back when he started. Bigger then Bryce (6'1 225) by a bit. Analysts said he had a weak arm and wasn't not athletic enough.

He couldn't hit the long pass with accuracy, if he even got the ball to the WR's at all on deep throws.

He was fragile and the 3 concussions had proven their point. Just a bullsh* t narrative. All the misgivings about him proved to be unfounded.

Fins surrounded him with WR's who had speed and could actually catch. Also a good running game and great inventive schemes to spread the field and get them open. 

Exactly what they should be doing for Bryce. This is what they should be working towards for him (and the team), to be successful. I don't know if the Coach or the GM can accomplish it.....if not then find people who can.

no. we are going to run the ball 11 times a game with our ten million dollar rb and throw wr screens to adam thelein on 3rd and 9. we're going to shake our opponent's hands and go back and look at the film. 

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They have the most talented offense in the NFL. We traded our only legit WR and a ton of draft capital to go get our franchise QB. When you make a move like that it's because you think you're getting a guy that you don't have to surround with elite talent because your ability to do so is going to be severely limited. We're going to have to be wizards in FA and the mid-late rounds to make this experiment work. 

Ultimately, yeah I think the Tua comparison is apt but our ability to recreate what the Dolphins have is going to be a real uphill battle.

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I think at this point the best plan is to go balls to the wall in FA next offseason trying to get at minimum two new WRs who are WR #1-#2 quality. Use at least one day 2 pick on OL, and the rest of the picks on defense.

We just have to hope that this season doesn't kill Bryce's confidence.

Neither Reich nor Fitterer will be fired this offseason, so I see this as the most realistic pathway towards a better team.

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4 minutes ago, Jmac said:

Same uncertainty about Tua as with Bryce back when he started. Bigger then Bryce (6'1 225) by a bit. Analysts said he had a weak arm and wasn't not athletic enough.

He couldn't hit the long pass with accuracy, if he even got the ball to the WR's at all on deep throws.

He was fragile and the 3 concussions had proven their point. Just a bullsh* t narrative. All the misgivings about him proved to be unfounded.

Fins surrounded him with WR's who had speed and could actually catch. Also a good running game and great inventive schemes to spread the field and get them open. 

Exactly what they should be doing for Bryce. This is what they should be working towards for him (and the team), to be successful. I don't know if the Coach or the GM can accomplish it.....if not then find people who can.

Where are we going to get these fast WRs who can actually catch? And where can we get them before the rest of the league does the same? And the offensive line? And the modern offensive minded head coach? 

Tua and Bryce can't be compared size-wise though. One was 6'1 225 ( and he is heavier now ) and one showed up to the combine with water weight weighing 204. I don't care about the height. He needs to put weight on. If he isn't going to be some read option QB then I don't really need him lighter to run more anyway. 

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Ok all we need to do is get the fastest Hall of Fame receiver currently in the league, one of the best offensive minds in the league at head coach, and then hope Bryce turns out to at least be as good as Tua (he definitely can be). Lol we have no shot at this and comparing us to the Dolphins is basically comparing different sports at this point. 

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McDaniel is also a great young offensive mind who schemes his players up really well. 

Steichen and Ben Johnson were my first two choices for that reason alone. When Johnson took his name out of the running, Steichen was my top guy. Wasn't thrilled when Reich was named HC but was impressed with the staff he was able to put together. Not impressed with the results so far, but I think things get better after the bye.

If they don't though, the question becomes who's at fault? The staff, on paper is great. The roster, on paper, is not. 

Reich deserves some blame so far, but I think Fitt deserves just as much if not more. 

 

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McDaniel is also a great young offensive mind who schemes his players up really well. 

Steichen and Ben Johnson were my first two choices for that reason alone. When Johnson took his name out of the running, Steichen was my top guy. Wasn't thrilled when Reich was named HC but was impressed with the staff he was able to put together. Not impressed with the results so far, but I think things get better after the bye.

If they don't though, the question becomes who's at fault? The staff, on paper is great. The roster, on paper, is not. 

Reich deserves some blame so far, but I think Fitt deserves just as much if not more. 

 

The whole "bad zoom interview" was fuging moronic as well.  fug tepper and his dumb wife and fug fitt

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Tue has to stay healthy for the palyoffs to have any value. It's fun now for them but I wouldn't bet on him being available throughout a run to a SB. It's fine because they have a stud HC that finds and coaches up talent.

He also came out with a lot more physical talent then Bryce. The more Bryce plays the more it's obvious why he didn't do squat at the combine. It's not Clausen bad but his inabilities make it too damn close so far. Start comparing Bryce to his peers. Hint, it's not the guys winning. Hell Baker looks like a better QB overall.

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18 minutes ago, Jmac said:

Same uncertainty about Tua as with Bryce back when he started. Bigger then Bryce (6'1 225) by a bit. Analysts said he had a weak arm and wasn't athletic enough.

He couldn't hit the long pass with accuracy, if he even got the ball to the WR's at all on deep throws.

He was fragile and the 3 concussions had proven their point. Just a bullsh* t narrative. All the misgivings about him proved to be unfounded.

Fins surrounded him with WR's who had speed and could actually catch. Also a good running game and great inventive schemes to spread the field and get them open. 

Exactly what they should be doing for Bryce. This is what they should be working towards for him (and the team), to be successful. I don't know if the coach or the GM can accomplish it.....if not then find people who can.

Tua is about two concussions away from probably being advised to retire. Good thing he will have that very prestigious and well earned Bama degree to fall back on. 

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42 minutes ago, travisura said:

I think at this point the best plan is to go balls to the wall in FA next offseason trying to get at minimum two new WRs who are WR #1-#2 quality. Use at least one day 2 pick on OL, and the rest of the picks on defense.

We just have to hope that this season doesn't kill Bryce's confidence.

Neither Reich nor Fitterer will be fired this offseason, so I see this as the most realistic pathway towards a better team.

I totally agree.  Tepper will definitely go all out next offseason. He will try his hardest not to allow Reich/Young to fail so horribly if he can help it.

Expect Fitterer to change his normal philosophy and overpay quite a few FA signings.

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