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What if BPA is Will Campbell?

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MHS831 Grand Master

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I get the BPA approach, and I know it works for teams that are successful.  however, we are coming off a half decade of having 15-20% of our cap in the dead cap trash bin and we have 8 or more needs for starters.  I think KC or Baltimore can live by the BPA creed, but I am not sure we can yet--unless we overspend in free agency...Morgan has a full plate.

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Moton, even at 31, is still the team's best Offensive lineman.  Technically, and OL at 31 is actually in his late prime whereas a RB is headed for Shady Acres.  However, maybe the are having difficulties extending him--maybe he wants too much and too much guaranteed money--I dunno.  But the Panthers are building for the future, more or less, and Moton is not a liabilty on the field, but he is on the spreadsheet.   I think the OL is essential, but you do not keep Moton and draft a T at 8. 

Currently, there are about 8 teams desperate for OT help--and Leeroy's point about KC demonstrates the cost of not having an elite OL.  These days, RT is about as important as LT, since most of the dominant edge rushers are playing Defensive left end--Crosby, Watt, Bosa--etc.

If I draft a T, I immediately call some of these teams who need OT (Ravens, Texans, Dolphins, Chiefs, Rams, etc) and did not find one in the draft and shop Moton.  I save about $17m and add a draft pick or even a player.  I have 2 tackles and only 1 would be nearing a second contract.  That would make the Bryce deal easier and give the team a fairly youthful OL, with OTs and the C in their mid 20s or lower.  You might end up getting and saving more from drafting an OT and dealing Moton than if you traded back with a team that needs an OT.  I have not done the maff.

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14 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Moton, even at 31, is still the team's best Offensive lineman.  Technically, and OL at 31 is actually in his late prime whereas a RB is headed for Shady Acres. 

thats actually not true at all, this is from 2021 but there is a ton more out there that shows lineman rarely play into their 30's and their decline happens swiftly when they cross that mark

 

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there are questions about Capbell's ability to play Tackle in the league but Dane Brugler seems like he thinks he can play tackle so that's good enough for me. But the point is he is not Joe Alt. 

My thing is if we draft him you're almost betting against either Motor or Ickey not to work out. 

With so many other needs on this team I just can't justify taking him at that pick, esp considering he isn't a sure fire thing 

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Moton is fine for another 2-3 years. We can reduce his cap number with an extension.

I wouldn't be entirely opposed to a tackle at #8, but I'm not sure Will Campbell is that guy. It'd have to be a true tackle, not a tweener tackle/guard.

To be honest, my favorite tackle prospect in this class is Wyatt Milum and he's generally considered a 2nd/3rd round guy. But he's by far the most natural pass protector in this class, IMO.

Still, all this OL/TE talk is moot unless we go HARD on defense in free agency to the point we can afford to pass on some really good defensive players at #8. There's just too much talent there at multiple positions and we have far too many needs on defense to pass on taking one of them.

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17 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Oh I can see the logic but for a team that is trying to breed a positive culture. Moving on from one of the teams true leaders right after finally turning the oline into a strength might bring the house of cards down 

I never even considered the LT situation until this thread was created. I think it comes down to gaining more in value compared to Moton's individual value. If we can get cap savings, another day 2 pick, and lock up a premium roster spot on a rookie contract... that's amazing value. This is what winning franchises do. They continually find ways to eek out extra value to put back into the roster.

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Good teams can afford to go BPA. Bad teams have areas that they need to improve or they will continue to be bad. 

It also justifies ignoring positional value to some people.

Also BPA depends on the evaluations. Who's BPA? The media talking heads spewing their usual BS? Morgan who sure as hell didn't take BPA with the first 2 picks last year unless you can admit he did a bad job in his evaluations.

Such a lazy take it's become. It's so overused. Just like generational talent. It's become an oversimplified concept that proves it is completely subjective with how many drafted players bust or become over drafted.

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14 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Good teams can afford to go BPA. Bad teams have areas that they need to improve or they will continue to be bad. 

It also justifies ignoring positional value to some people.

Also BPA depends on the evaluations. Who's BPA? The media talking heads spewing their usual BS? Morgan who sure as hell didn't take BPA with the first 2 picks last year unless you can admit he did a bad job in his evaluations.

Such a lazy take it's become. It's so overused. Just like generational talent. It's become an oversimplified concept that proves it is completely subjective with how many drafted players bust or become over drafted.

Yeah BPA always need a caveat. For example, we wouldn't draft Jeanty there if he truly is the best left. Or another QB. It needs to be BPA at position to an extent. But LT is prob one of those positions (DE/CB the others) I feel you can make an exception and always take if it's truly the BPA unless you have a true franchise guy already there (dont think we do in Ickey). 

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On 2/14/2025 at 11:06 AM, jb2288 said:

Yeah BPA always need a caveat. For example, we wouldn't draft Jeanty there if he truly is the best left. Or another QB. It needs to be BPA at position to an extent. But LT is prob one of those positions (DE/CB the others) I feel you can make an exception and always take if it's truly the BPA unless you have a true franchise guy already there (dont think we do in Ickey). 

I think Moton would be out if they are looking at LTs at all. Old guy needing an extension to make space or guy still on a rookie deal with a 5th year option? I still would be surprised if they were even looking at LTs. Like you said, when they feel they have the position covered it's an acceptable pass. I just don't think it takes franchise to the decision makers. The needs are hard to ignore when they are large and staff have always had a thing for 'their guys' they feel are doing well in their plans.

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