What top 10 prospect do you absolutely NOT want?

[tukafan21]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think his combine measurements are going to seal his fate one way or another.  He runs a slow 40 hes done.  However if he runs a parsons 4.3 ish or in the 4.4 he is going in the top 10.  I think his intangibles and sheer brute strength are going to make him a weapon on defense.  His tape is just sick.  You want to build culture for the team then you pick the captain of the good sec defense.  Again if a team cannot figure out how to use him or simply not wanting to draft him for that fact then they are either insane or quite stupid.  Feels like we had the same discussion about parson in 21.   use him as a chess piece to move all around the line

 

And this is exactly what I've been railing about in the T-Mac threads lately.  For the life of me, I can't understand how a player's 40 time changes anyones opinion of a player when you have years of tape on them.  

Why does how fast a player runs 40 yards down the field change your views on them when that position will never do that in a game?

I utterly despise what the combine has become in how people use it to drastically change their opinions on players.  To me, the only thing the combine is good for is for teams to easily be able to meet with and interview dozens upon dozens of players in a matter of days, not a single thing done on the field means jack squat to me.

[Aussie Tank]

3 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

And this is exactly what I've been railing about in the T-Mac threads lately.  For the life of me, I can't understand how a player's 40 time changes anyones opinion of a player when you have years of tape on them.  

Why does how fast a player runs 40 yards down the field change your views on them when that position will never do that in a game?

I utterly despise what the combine has become in how people use it to drastically change their opinions on players.  To me, the only thing the combine is good for is for teams to easily be able to meet with and interview dozens upon dozens of players in a matter of days, not a single thing done on the field means jack squat to me.

It doesn't change opinions it reinforces it. If people have worries about TMacs speed and separation skills and he has an ordinary combine it will reinforce what they see on the field. 

And before you reply we all know what you see on the field 

[tukafan21]

11 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

It doesn't change opinions it reinforces it. If people have worries about TMacs speed and separation skills and he has an ordinary combine it will reinforce what they see on the field. 

And before you reply we all know what you see on the field 

You do realize that post of mine had nothing to do with T-Mac at all, right?  I only mentioned him because it's the same general thing I've been saying in his threads, but my feelings regarding the combine testing carries across all players.  

Especially as the 40 yard dash is even more irrelevant to pass rushers, the only time they're going to be running full speed in a straight line is if they're trying to track a player downfield during a big play, something which you'd love your pass rushers to do, but not what you're drafting them for their ability to do.

As I've said previously, the combine made more sense decades ago when there weren't 100 cameras for every college game and thus teams have more than enough game footage to evaluate and compare prospects, as it then gave them ways to compare players they have limited and/or poor quality film of.

You say it's about reinforcing opinions, but it's not, because if their timings don't show you that, it then means you change it.  If T-Mac comes out and runs a say 4.47, what are you going to say about it as that's clearly not what your opinion is of him right now?  And it works the other way around too, what if someone looks like they play super fast, but then their timings (in both the 40 and other drills) are slower than you'd expect?  

That doesn't reinforce opinions of what you see on the field, if anything it just muddies up the water even more.

Some players are just gamers and no matter what they do, they're always going to play faster than they test or practice, just as some players will always play slower than they test or practice.  

Which is why I don't care if a player runs faster or slower, or even exactly the same, as expected, I just put zero weight behind it, I care about what I see on the field and yea, it annoys me when I see people say, like they have in this thread, that their final opinion on a player and/or draft position will come down to combine testing.

[07579394]

QB TE S RB,and off ball LB.

[CPF4LIFE]

Tet

[SOJA]

20 hours ago, toldozer said:

Travis hunter.  I don't think he's the best cb or the best wr. He may end up a decent cb but I don't think he'll end up close to a top 50 wr in the league

Travis both scares and intrigues me. He definitely is no this home run selection everyone is making him out to be IMO

[LinvilleGorge]

Ask David Tepper's opinion then do anything but that. Call Hurney and ask him while he likes on the 2nd then definitely don't draft that guy. LOL

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just don’t take a QB because they’re all going to be bad.  I could talk myself into almost anyone else though 

[Jon Snow]

No on the Meion clan or Jeanty.

Edited February 15, 2025 by Jon Snow

[toldozer]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Ask David Tepper's opinion then do anything but that. Call Hurney and ask him while he likes on the 2nd then definitely don't draft that guy. LOL

Why wouldn't you also ask who hurney would take in the first. My dude don't miss.  

[Shotgun]

Can I wait until after the draft to answer? I'll just go with whoever the Panthers select.  

[LinvilleGorge]

45 minutes ago, toldozer said:

Why wouldn't you also ask who hurney would take in the first. My dude don't miss.  

True. But it's because he'd pick Ashton Jeanty and fug picking more RBs in the top 10.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

Not big on any RB early. I think QB is off the board unless it’s a late round developmental player which is good, but any other prospect would have an impact although the baggage with Hunter may be prohibitive. 

[jb2288]

23 hours ago, toldozer said:

Travis hunter.  I don't think he's the best cb or the best wr. He may end up a decent cb but I don't think he'll end up close to a top 50 wr in the league

Oh wow top 50 is pretty rough. He has absolutely elite ball tracking skills, his lack is probably on the route running side. Which yeah, not ideal coming into the NFL but can be taught. elite athleticism, body control, and ball tracking really you either have or don't. I think he would instantly be a top 50 WR but has the potential to be top 10. On the CB side I really don't see the Will Johnson is better angle. Will is good, but again Hunter is elite. An instant impact, top 10 CB year 1 kind of dude with potential to be a top 3 island type of guy. 

 

All of the above is assuming he focuses full time on one or the another.