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God forbid this is the way the Draft shakes out

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MHS831 Grand Master

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Before I look at the other picks--

First, this should mean that we get a trade offer from Pittsburgh, based on rumors.  I take the trade.

If not, I take (and this will get you all riled up) ROT Armond Membou.  I do not think we have to reach for a defensive player.  Membou would not be popular, but Moton has a bad wheel and is in the last year of his contract.  We could cut Nijman and maybe trade Moton for a WR.   We'd get a really good OL and not have to worry about finding a T next year.  

BPA baby. Don't reach.  the second round has edge players.  The third has DL.   We'd simply need a WR and S, and Richardson was not bad in 2024.

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3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Before I look at the other picks--

First, this should mean that we get a trade offer from Pittsburgh, based on rumors.  I take the trade.

If not, I take (and this will get you all riled up) ROT Armond Membou.  I do not think we have to reach for a defensive player.  Membou would not be popular, but Moton has a bad wheel and is in the last year of his contract.  We could cut Nijman and maybe trade Moton for a WR.   We'd get a really good OL and not have to worry about finding a T next year.  

BPA baby. Don't reach.  the second round has edge players.  The third has DL.   We'd simply need a WR and S, and Richardson was not bad in 2024.

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I'm sticking by my prediction that if they are stuck at 8 they will take the safety from SC. I'll even go so far as to say that they will take him even if Walker is on the board. How do you like me now?

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2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm sticking by my prediction that if they are stuck at 8 they will take the safety from SC. I'll even go so far as to say that they will take him even if Walker is on the board. How do you like me now?

I wouldn’t hate it. He flashes on film similar to Brian Branch. 

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11 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

I wouldn’t hate it. He flashes on film similar to Brian Branch. 

He seems to be the player they've shown the most interest in so far. He fits the system perfectly and fills a huge need. The best case scenario would be to trade back a few spots of course so it would feel more palatable. I think that's what they are hoping for. I also think they are fully prepared to pull the trigger if they cannot. 

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9 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm sticking by my prediction that if they are stuck at 8 they will take the safety from SC. I'll even go so far as to say that they will take him even if Walker is on the board. How do you like me now?

No changes on my like meter---I really like that S and I think the Panthers do to.  He and Moehrig would definitely change the culture here at S--Basically, we'd have 2 hard-charging, linebacker Safeties and both with the ability to play center field. Richardson could play the big nickel while Smith Wade plays the nickel/dime.  I definitely see it--and you have to consider more than the player's skill set and how he ranks vs. other positions--that is really impossible to gauge.  He is the best S in the draft--and S is a huge need--and if I am not wrong (you know that never happens) he would be a great fit. 

 

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Another reason for my liking Membou, besides the fact that Moton's knee is suspect (did not play the entire season last year), he is getting old, and he will be on the last year of his contract: 

The QB market is loaded next year.  Not only does drafting Membou make you younger and saves about $24m per year in RT expenses (in 2026), it would give you a solid line should we have to replace Bryce.  Young had nine nice games, but if he requires a $100m OL to be productive and will ask for $60m, that is more than half the cap at 6 positions--not including TE, WR, and RB.  Yikes. So we will not be able to re-sign Moton regardless; we will extend Ekwonu and probably give him $35m per. 

But lets say Bryce does not show us enough in 2025 to give us confidence moving forward.  If you draft the RT NOW, you have a solid OL for a new QB to play behind.  Note how the other teams like New England have been scrounging around for a T--if you don't get one early in the draft, you don't get one.  Is Christensen (on a 1-year deal) the answer?  He will want vet starting money and he'd be a downgrade. We'd have to choose between drafting a QB in the best QB draft in history or drafting the RT.  Of course, we take the QB and have a glaring need at RT.  This might get that QB injured.

Even if Bryce works out, we still need to cut our OL costs in half.   So looking beyond 2025, I see the value in taking the less glamourous best player available.  We know we are losing Moton--if his knee gives out before 2026, we'd have depth.  If it does not, we have options, such as trade Moton to a team with a desperate need at T. 

 

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11 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Trading with Dallas would be best case scenario for the Panthers in this draft.

heck yes! With the Sanders/Dowdle trade and Mingo, Morgan has already screwed the cowboys so much that our marketing team is working on a video called "Danny Does Dallas"!

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