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Moving on to the 2nd round discussion


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3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I don't like giving up future picks on players that you may need that future pick to replace. This team is not in any condition to afford giving up drafts picks in its current state. When they build a team that can have back to back playoff appearances then we can talk.

I understand your point.  My counter argument is that you are swapping a good, perhaps very good backup for a 2025 potential starter (Ez, Emmanwori).  If Morgan doesn’t believe that either player would start and fill an immediate void, I wouldn’t do the trade.  Starting calibre player only.

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2 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

I understand your point.  My counter argument is that you are swapping a good, perhaps very good backup for a 2025 potential starter (Ez, Emmanwori).  If Morgan doesn’t believe that either player would start and fill an immediate void, I wouldn’t do the trade.  Starting calibre player only.

I think you're onto it.  They're gonna move up and get someone they think will have immediate impact on D with the other FA signings they made.  T-Mac will have immediate impact on offense.

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Just now, bythenbrs said:

I understand your point.  My counter argument is that you are swapping a good, perhaps very good backup for a 2025 potential starter (Ez, Emmanwori).  If Morgan doesn’t believe that either player would start and fill an immediate void, I wouldn’t do the trade.  Starting calibre player only.

But odds say you will swap a future starter for nothing more than an average backup. In playing the what if game I favor playing the odds. If my war chest was full I may challenge conventional wisdom now and then. Where they are in their rebuild they cannot afford to waste future assets on 1 player.

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15 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I don't like giving up future picks on players that you may need that future pick to replace. This team is not in any condition to afford giving up drafts picks in its current state. When they build a team that can have back to back playoff appearances then we can talk.

They’ll never learn. Ever.

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29 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

But odds say you will swap a future starter for nothing more than an average backup. In playing the what if game I favor playing the odds. If my war chest was full I may challenge conventional wisdom now and then. Where they are in their rebuild they cannot afford to waste future assets on 1 player.

Conventional wisdom says you always trade back. The likelihood of a high first round pick being better than a high second is a coin flip. Ditto for round two to three and so forth. So aquring extra picks to make hitting more likely is always the best move for a team if they have a trade back partner. 

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14 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Conventional wisdom says you always trade back. The likelihood of a high first round pick being better than a high second is a coin flip. Ditto for round two to three and so forth. So aquring extra picks to make hitting more likely is always the best move for a team if they have a trade back partner. 

You just proved my point. Anyone willing to trade back with us for more picks is the winner every time.

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1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

But odds say you will swap a future starter for nothing more than an average backup. In playing the what if game I favor playing the odds. If my war chest was full I may challenge conventional wisdom now and then. Where they are in their rebuild they cannot afford to waste future assets on 1 player.

Good point to a......point. I could trade back and monopolize every 6th round pick in the draft to get more shots at the target. I understand that's an absurd extreme, the take home is there is a marginal analysis that has to be done every year for where that MB=MC. It's a moving target both for the population (talent and how that talent fits with respective teams' systems). 

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37 minutes ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Draft Mike Green from Marshall.  That dude is a stud DE. I know he played in the sunbelt but his production vs power 5 and other strong G5 is nice. 

they never met w/ Green at any level to my knowledge. I assume that means he wouldn't even be considered.  Think to draft a dude w/ red flags relatively high they would have met w/ him. 

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