All-22 Review of the first team offense vs. Houston

[PleaseCutStewart]

15 minutes ago, frankw said:

Throwing a wounded duck directly toward three defenders is never a good thing at any level as a QB. I assure you there are very few people outside of the small circle of delusional echo chamber fans here who actually think Bryce Young looked competent at any point against the Texans on Saturday.

The other guy had a point - free play and you are looking for a pass that's at least 15+ yards. And I was the biggest Bryce hater the first 1.5 years of his career 

Edited Monday at 03:40 AM by PleaseCutStewart

[WUnderhill]

I gotta be honest I don’t love the throwing a really risky ball when the flag comes out during the middle of the play like that. I get it when it is defensive offsides and you get it at the snap and you basically know for sure what the call is. Just seems on this particular play that there was some risk that the flag may not have been for what he thought, or maybe another flag comes in for an offsetting penalty.

[jb2288]

6 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

I gotta be honest I don’t love the throwing a really risky ball when the flag comes out during the middle of the play like that. I get it when it is defensive offsides and you get it at the snap and you basically know for sure what the call is. Just seems on this particular play that there was some risk that the flag may not have been for what he thought, or maybe another flag comes in for an offsetting penalty.

Interception doesnt stand with offsetting 

[WUnderhill]

6 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Interception doesnt stand with offsetting 

Fair. Still, unless Bryce somehow knew without a shadow of a doubt what the call was, seems risky.

[Icege]

Just realized that the Texans used mostly Buffalo nickel against the offense which makes sense with how the Panthers want to be a run-focused team out of 11 and/or 12. Going to be interesting going back and seeing if the Browns did (and if the Steelers this Thursday do) the same. If it is, we can see how the offense adjusts to attacking it more effectively.

Hurray football! It's so close to being back back!

Edited Monday at 04:07 AM by Icege

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

I gotta be honest I don’t love the throwing a really risky ball when the flag comes out during the middle of the play like that. I get it when it is defensive offsides and you get it at the snap and you basically know for sure what the call is. Just seems on this particular play that there was some risk that the flag may not have been for what he thought, or maybe another flag comes in for an offsetting penalty.

I don't either. If the penalty had been on the offense then the outcome is different. Hard to know what's a penalty half the time in the NFL, much less risk a bad throw on being certain of what a flag is going to be. 

[NAS]

I think am more concerned about this offense schematically than about QB or receivers. Even when Bryce makes a good throw the receivers are never able to gain YAC because they are marked so closely. 

[OldhamA]

8 hours ago, 33inNC said:

The first play is why Bryce Young will never be worth the price. Noodle arm cannot make a D pay when the WR beats the CB deep. Are we really praising Bryce for kind of getting it in year 3? For what we have away for him?

I'd love to be optimistic, but once again the whole team looks outmatched and we make excuses for them. 

He would have had to be prime Tom Brady from the get go to be worth what we paid for him.

We're just hoping he can be somewhat serviceable now. His physical limitations mean the O is always going to be operating with a strait jacket on.

[TD alt]

8 hours ago, frankw said:

You won't get much sense from some of the extremist optimists here. They'll spam poo reactions and flail and then slink away when we start losing.

You should know better than that. Bryce was under pressure sliding to his right, and his feet weren't exactly set. 

"Extremist optimists?" That's a stretch if I have ever seen one. Come on, Frank.

[*FreeFua*]

Would be curious to know why TMac flattened out his route like that. Bryce threw it to where he thought TMac was going 

This miscommunication and the one last week in the end zone where TMac didn’t get his head around fast enough is why these guys should’ve got more reps during the preseason

[Tr3ach]

8 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

Fair. Still, unless Bryce somehow knew without a shadow of a doubt what the call was, seems risky.

I would say he knew by the fact Sanders was nowhere to be seen in the play when he was supposed to be the check down.   Ive not seen the all 22 so I dont know if he could have seen the actual hold or not.

[Tr3ach]

22 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Would be curious to know why TMac flattened out his route like that. Bryce threw it to where he thought TMac was going 

This miscommunication and the one last week in the end zone where TMac didn’t get his head around fast enough is why these guys should’ve got more reps during the preseason

It is one of the things ive always heard mentioned about him.  Steve Smith has said it a lot, even places like pff that love him, etc.  They say he runs "California routes" where they are a little more rounded out and smooth instead of sharp and quick.  Almost lackadasical but thats probably too strong.  I think he will learn pretty quick that hes going to have to add some urgency and preciseness to his routes, hopefully. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

10 hours ago, frankw said:

I see absolutely no logic with trying to link the 2011 rookie of the year with this offense and a third year QB who is trying to shake off one of the five worst rookie seasons in decades. The only purpose it serves is to make someone feel better. If that's what you want great but it does not align with reality right now.

Again you go to comparing QBs which I said more than once wasn't what I was doing with that analogy. I'll type it out again but I don't really know how much clearer I can type it it's already in black and white, but here it goes.

Preseason Success/Failure is not an indicator of Regular season success. There are many examples I could have used. Considering we are on a Panthers forum and I'm supposedly talking to a Panthers fan why wouldn't I bring up Cam's preseason and the VERY suspect passing offense we saw in those games vs What we saw to start the regular season in 2011. It was a night and day difference.

Last year we saw this offense put together scoring drives in the preseason albeit VERY limited action, much like this year. We were terrible to start the year on offense last year so seeing those drives didn't make much of a difference did it?

You said you weren't happy with the Bills drive I asked you to explain what was wrong with it? Moved the ball down the field with accurate and decisive throws, maybe a little happy feet at times but overall it was a drive you wanted to see from this young team absolutely. 

After all that I know I'm talking to a brick wall but I needed to kill some time on a Monday. Try and not to be so miserable today Frank. There's more to life than preseason football.

[jb2288]

1 hour ago, Tr3ach said:

I would say he knew by the fact Sanders was nowhere to be seen in the play when he was supposed to be the check down.   Ive not seen the all 22 so I dont know if he could have seen the actual hold or not.

It happened right in front of him. He was drug down to the ground then a flag landed where it happened. I can understand the concern about “what if” but the dude is an NFL QB, he sees our guys get drug to the ground, flag lands where it happens, nobody is open so he throws it downfield looking for a Hail Mary. That is what you are coached to do. 

Edited Monday at 01:17 PM by jb2288