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OFFICIAL Week 1: Panthers @ Jaguars Game Day Thread


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1 minute ago, jopie87 said:

PJ Walker, wins this one

Darnold, Mayfield, Teddy, win this one.

That kid kid that came in for the last preseason game that was good in spring ball this year, maybe wins this one.

If Bryce sucked and was exciting games may be watchable. Like if its 50/50 he does something amazing or awful, that may be fun.

But he sucks and is just such a boring damn player to watch. I'd rather see Chuba run the ball 40 times a game then watch whatever the hell approximation of being a pro athlete that Bryce craps onto the field in 95% of the games he's started in.

 

Should call the giants and inquire for jameis

He isn't the answer but at least he can throw the ball ten yards down the field

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Nah. This keeps happening.

Also, Canales has the ability to bench this bum QB. He did it before.

This is on Canales above anyone else. 

You and I both know that Tepper isn't going to let Canales make a permanent change at QB. He (and his wife) have too much of an emotional investment in him.

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

Lol. I don't think Renfrow has any monster days left in him but he definitely could have been impactful. 

Yeah, AT will be missed for what he brings to the offense. Still, we would be toting this L, regardless.

Monster day is relative to Renfrow and Carolina But yeah, he would have had a really nice day with well placed throws to him. 
 

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6 minutes ago, hepcat said:

What Bryce needs is to take of this uniform, burn it in a barrel, and go sell used cars 

He has a pretty decent future in the Kellen Moore model. Suck as a player, coach, and still kinda suck at that too but in such a way that teams keep you around.

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17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I thought Renfrow was the type of receiver Bryce needed. I was wrong. What Bryce actually had to have is a CMC. A back out of the backfield that can take a three yard pass and do something with it routinely.

This isnt directed towards you, LG, just using your post as a springboard to a more general realization…. I think it’s officially time to stop looking for the mysterious piece Bryce needs.  In our optimism, we all hoped XL was it.  Or JT.  Then Tet.  Then Renfrow.  He has the most physically talented WR corps we have ever fielded and still looks like poo.  We’re talking about an NFL QB who only had 56 yards in the 4th qtr, was just sub 50% completion, and has two, and what should have been three turnovers.  This experiment is over.

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