Xavier Legette has checked out. I see no fight in this manman

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, strato said:

Yeah maybe. Who the fug can do anything with Tepper edicts to factor in? By the time you placate him you are in round 4. 

But regardless. For me, I promised I wouldn’t judge either GM or HC in that first year. And I didn’t.  
In the end maybe instead of Tepper poisoning last year it was Dan making mistakes. I feel like maybe he is learning from them, because this draft looks really good to me. 
 

Eh...I am not gonna call anything after one draft. It looks slightly better so far but I am not prepared to say good. 

[mav1234]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Eh...I am not gonna call anything after one draft. It looks slightly better so far but I am not prepared to say good. 

There was a time where 2024 looked promising, too. The brief period where XL looked like he could be salvaged, Brooks was back from injury and looking decent, JT was vaulting defenders...

[jb2288]

3 hours ago, dep said:

this seems unfair and a little parasocial

You are probably correct, but it comes with the territory of being an NFL player paid millions of dollars. He could have done himself a lot of favors by taking a bit more mature approach in the offseason. I still hope he ends up being a good player

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Eh...I am not gonna call anything after one draft. It looks slightly better so far but I am not prepared to say good. 

Yeah, they still seem to have WTF moments in drafts. Brooks and Legette in 2024 were legit WTF moments, particularly with who was still on the board for both of those picks. Now granted there was only one real WTF moment in 2025 in my opinion with Etienne. But there were legit playmaking safeties and WRs still on the board and they picked a guy that would be 3rd on the depth chart at a position of strength. I would argue a LB, Safety, Edge or WR would have made more sense than Etienne. And then they don't even give him carries. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

13 hours ago, ClawOn said:

Agreed.  For XL I'd guess NFL speed football awareness is his #1 problem.  Failing to get 2 feet down with 5 yards of room in the AZ game as a 2nd year player feels like the beginning of the end.  As you point out, someone like UDFA Coker managed that his first game.

I really don't think it's primarily effort. For XL, when the lights come on his go out. 

There's just zero reason for taking a non-QB project player in the 1st round.  Just landing serviceable players would greatly improve the roster.  But we continue to pass it up for fools gold every year.

[L-TownCat]

14 hours ago, ClawOn said:

If it makes anyone feel better,  Marvin Harrison Jr. went 4 overall in 24 and it's... not looking great. 

 

13 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Harrison seems to have lost some confidence. He still at least shows flashes, and he's been far more productive than XL.  But maybe a bigger disappointment in some ways given people expected so much more from Harrison 

I’ve been giving a lot of thought to the players whose fathers played pro sports.  It seems like the more mid-tier the dad was the better the son is and vice versa.  I’d love to see some data on that tho to back up my suspicions.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Yeah, they still seem to have WTF moments in drafts. Brooks and Legette in 2024 were legit WTF moments, particularly with who was still on the board for both of those picks. Now granted there was only one real WTF moment in 2025 in my opinion with Etienne. But there were legit playmaking safeties and WRs still on the board and they picked a guy that would be 3rd on the depth chart at a position of strength. I would argue a LB, Safety, Edge or WR would have made more sense than Etienne. And then they don't even give him carries. 

The Etienne pick sort of made sense in that RB is a position where you can often find value in the mid to late rounds and we needed some juice at returner so draft a guy who should be able to immediately contribute in the latter while developing behind proven vets in the former. Then he goes out there and looks like a guy who has never seen a punt in his life. Oh wee mayne.

[frankw]

2 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

They wanted his talent. The hustle, the grind, the want to, XL gotta bring that on his own. That’s our #2 WR by the way. You think your QB can be successful without 1?

Bryce has expectations the same as Legette. Except Legette does not distribute the ball. Bryce Young was sold as an elite ball distributor. At some point we need to see him elevate the moving parts around him as a first overall pick. Instead of him needing everything to go absolutely perfect around him just to be a serviceable starter.

Edited 1 hour ago by frankw

[Navy_football]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Etienne pick sort of made sense in that RB is a position where you can often find value in the mid to late rounds and we needed some juice at returner so draft a guy who should be able to immediately contribute in the latter while developing behind proven vets in the former. Then he goes out there and looks like a guy who has never seen a punt in his life. Oh wee mayne.

I actually think he'd be a great change of pace back to Chuba and Dowdle. But they rarely give him run on the offense. Dude had one attempted punt return in college. One. And I don't think he'd returned a kickoff since his sophomore year.

That's not a guy you pick in the 4th to primarily be a returner. Not when your safeties, ILB, Edge and WRs were bottom of the league and you already had a RB room predicted to be one of the best in the NFL. Just another WTF moment to me. 

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

4 hours ago, Gipetto said:

It was a tiktok from David Newton

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMFkQ98x/

Grown man using TikTok.

Embarrassing 

[KillerKat]

#BringBackDJMoore

[TD alt]

The man can't even convalesce in peace. 

[Navy_football]

21 minutes ago, frankw said:

Bryce has expectations the same as Legette. Except Legette does not distribute the ball. Bryce Young was sold as an elite ball distributor. At some point we need to see him elevate the moving parts around him as a first overall pick. Instead of him needing everything to go absolutely perfect around him just to be a serviceable starter.

When has everything been absolutely perfect around him? Can't seem to remember that game.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, TD alt said:

The man can't even convalesce in peace. 

I hate to tell you, but injured players fielding questions from the media as they recover is just part of the job as an NFL player. And he didn't seem to be "convalescing". He seemed to be confused and/or frustrated about how the situation whatever "the situation" may be is being handled.