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OK, now it's time to discuss a couple of yesterday's problems. Let's talk "Evero."


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14 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

for perspective...

Dallas came in averaging 25 first downs, 134 yds. rushing, and 407 yards overall per game.  They left with 15 first downs, 31 yards rushing, and 292 yards overall.

I don't care what Pickens did, this was a bitch-slapping.  We made them completely one-dimensional.  Frankly if we don't turn the ball over on our side of the 50 and the refs don't give them a few drive-sustaining gifts, we win by 20.

Evero is finally showing something this year and we may get that 3rd round comp pick after all. 

He's out of contract at the end of the year.

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I think Evero has stepped up a bit this year locking in that run defense, beyond just getting DB back from injury. 

For Jackson, I do wonder if he's playing through a more serious injury and unable to compete at a higher intensity level.

Where I'm concerned is in two areas that are pretty telling. We are terrible in forcing turnovers and rarely get sacks. I think a good portion of it is EE's approach but also the fundamentals and angles we take often times look very pedestrian. 

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Horn was on Pickens for one of his biggest gains of the day. I get the sentiment, but the defense shut down a really good rushing attack and didn't let anybody else go off. It was good enough for a win. Everyone's complained endlessly about Evero; it's as good a time to give him his props as it is to second-guess him more.

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These threads really expose some people. 

First: We run a primary cover 3 zone scheme. We can't just move Jaycee wherever the other team's #1 goes. If you watched us, we did a good bit of randomly switching sides and roles yesterday to try to mess with them. They simply audibled and motioned into plays and packages that put george pickens away from Jaycee.  They did the same thing with Ceedee Lamb last season. It's ok to say that the other team did a good job of something. 

Second, We have allowed about 40 combined rushing yards the last two games. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our defensive game plan.  In fact, a lot of folks owe Evero an apology.  The issues on defense is that we do not have personnel capable of rushing the passer, and we do not have a 2nd corner capable of covering the best receivers in the NFL.   I can live with the 2nd problem, but the 1st one has to be addressed in the draft. Princely and Scourton have been solid, but they aren't going to be 10 sack guys as rookies.  They may get there though. The more we can force teams into 3rd and 4th and long, the more chances we will have for turnovers. I think the job Evero has done with this crew has been pretty solid. 

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15 hours ago, electro's horse said:

they were without their best player on offense

CeeDee Lamb got hurt in week 3. The Cowboys were rolling without him. Not sure what you meant by this. Our defense was the 1st to slow the Cowboys down some. Statistically before the game the Cowboys were ranked in the top 3 of the league.

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20 hours ago, Mistuh Jones said:

agreed to all of this. This is on Canales ultimately, he's going to have to force Evero to get with the times here or the other team's X is just going to feast on us religiously 

Dude, we beat the Falcons 30-0, held the Cowboys to less points than Green Bay did, and held the Dolphins to well enough to go on a 27-3 run, or 27-6 run. 
 

We also went on a run against the Cardinals. 
 

The defense is going to depend on the development of a pass rush from Princely and Nic. Both have the ability 

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20 hours ago, theinstrumental said:

Horn was on Pickens for one of his biggest gains of the day. I get the sentiment, but the defense shut down a really good rushing attack and didn't let anybody else go off. It was good enough for a win. Everyone's complained endlessly about Evero; it's as good a time to give him his props as it is to second-guess him more.

Yep - honestly though, I thought his coverage was as good as you could possibly do on a man coverage crossing route with Dak having all day to throw. Dak made a perfect throw and if it wasn't in front of Pickens, it could have easily been picked off.

Seemed like we ran more man than I have seen our defense run so far this year. Defense also did a great job of playing their gap/zone responsibilities (even if Dak did pick apart our zone a good chunk of the game) - that screen play on the last drive could easily have gone for a touchdown if Moehrig didn't play his zone and make a great tackle.

Biggest complaint about Evero was not blitzing a few more times (especially when Dallas was in the red zone). The few times we did it, Dak didn't look comfortable.

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20 hours ago, ImfromClayton said:

These threads really expose some people. 

First: We run a primary cover 3 zone scheme. We can't just move Jaycee wherever the other team's #1 goes. If you watched us, we did a good bit of randomly switching sides and roles yesterday to try to mess with them. They simply audibled and motioned into plays and packages that put george pickens away from Jaycee.  They did the same thing with Ceedee Lamb last season. It's ok to say that the other team did a good job of something. 

Second, We have allowed about 40 combined rushing yards the last two games. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our defensive game plan.  In fact, a lot of folks owe Evero an apology.  The issues on defense is that we do not have personnel capable of rushing the passer, and we do not have a 2nd corner capable of covering the best receivers in the NFL.   I can live with the 2nd problem, but the 1st one has to be addressed in the draft. Princely and Scourton have been solid, but they aren't going to be 10 sack guys as rookies.  They may get there though. The more we can force teams into 3rd and 4th and long, the more chances we will have for turnovers. I think the job Evero has done with this crew has been pretty solid. 

In your honest opinion, what would've happened had CeeDee been playing?

Stopping the run is great, but it's not good enough to just stop the run. Moreover, it's not like Jaycee was great yesterday. The DBs' play yesterday wasn't even necessarily good, but sure we'll get better if we get another corner capable of covering top receivers. That's still not an excuse, nor is being unwilling or unable to make adjustments just because you're married to a certain set scheme. 

George Pickens was not, and maybe still is not, considered "elite." He may be on his way, but throwing the word around to make a point is just that. But, If Pickens plays against the Panthers and Evero every week, I'm sure that he will be considered elite sooner than later, especially since the DC didn't seem to have any answers.

Lastly, if CeeDee was playing, despite exceptional run defense, we likely would have taken just another L. 

Don't get saucy just because some people aren't jumping for joy after Pickens had the second best receiving output of his career. There is something called projection.

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