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I made a whole thread about this after the game last week. It's just more obvious now that we've lost this game.

It's dreadfully obvious to everyone not named Dave Canales. Even fans from other teams were asking me why we weren't running Rico today.  That's saying something. 

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5 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

I made a whole thread about this after the game last week. It's just more obvious now that we've lost this game.

It's dreadfully obvious to everyone not named Dave Canales. Even fans from other teams were asking me why we weren't running Rico today.  That's saying something. 

There is no excuse. I can't get past his decision making. If Dave thought the last game and this game were the right game plans and the guys just didnt execute, well you cant have someone like that anywhere near the team. It's just means his intellect is far below bad. Though I don't think it was just Dave being really really stupid when it comes to playing football. 

I'm sorry, but this has Tepper's fingerprints all over it. There are only two things I think happened. Tepper is telling these coaches what is going to happen in game. If Tepper is still doing this, you can go ahead and forget the Panthers while he is there. If he is STILL telling coaches what they will do, it is completely over for the Panthers. He is too dumb to give any input. If Tepper is coaching, we would be better with no coach. He is really that stupid.

But there is a good chance they threw that game. Everyone better hope that the Pamthers threw that game (I honestly don't see how they couldnt have thrown it.) Only people who watched the game would really understand what happened. If you watched the game you know. But we better hope we get caught throwing games and the team gets absolutely destroyed. But that they find out Tepper was involved and they have to kick him out of the league. This is the absolute best scenario for the Panthers. And no, I'm not joking. This is the chance to get Tepper out. The internet needs to find a connection to Tepper, or the Panthers are done. Tepper is really that stupid.

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You want to talk about a winning culture, guys on the bench need to know that if they bust their ass and ball out that they'll actually be able to win a starting spot. Nothing more demoralizing having guys know that it doesn't matter what they do, the chosen team favorite is getting the snaps regardless.

Dowdle had a 2 game stretch that was among the greatest in NFL history, and they still sent his ass to the bench to play backup for a guy that was coming back from injury and not even back up to speed yet. Crazy.

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It is absolute malpractice at this point what Canales is doing with the running backs.  I don't care if you just paid Chuba or that he is a team Captain it is so painfully obvious to anyone watching who brings more juice to the offense.  Rico is more explosive, he is finding the running lanes better, and he actually can break a tackle.  The game plan yesterday should have been to give Rico the ball 25-30 times and yet Canales could not do it.  He failed his entire team yesterday.  Canales has an absolute poo roster but he does nothing to help them.  

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The Chuba/Rico debacle is as clear a sign as anyone should need that we need to stop paying RB's and draft them in the proper rounds and keep repeating that like the majority of the rest of the league is doing. People still living in 2008 or whatever need to adjust to reality.

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23 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Dan put us in this position the moment he gave Hubbard that contract. Rico will either be traded or will walk after the season.

That's what they do......let the best players walk away.

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