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Bryce Young: one of least efficient qbs in the league past first read


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5 hours ago, RJK said:

Let’s say Bryce ends up being a decent game manager. Which he hasn’t proven to be yet. He’s still a bust considering being 1 overall and what was given up to get him. 

Yes. That's what you buy on a discount in free agency while the team keeps swinging in the draft and not spend multiple 1st, a starter and more on. 

Also it's year 3 so I have no idea what people are hoping a surge of improvement comes from at this point. It's not coming physically. Maybe he sits and fixes his mechanics after his stint here? Seems like a stretch given why they are the way they are but that's the only route I can guess and even then it's hitting jag QB levels. 

The only way he can bust harder at this point is by the team taking his 5th option and dragging out another 2 years of this crap and still go no where with it. 

 

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8 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Do you think his current play warrants us picking up his 5th year?

I think we need to see more but a 5th year option gives you more time to evaluate and also gives team leverage in negotiations if his performance drastically improves. 

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4 minutes ago, NAS said:

I think we need to see more but a 5th year option gives you more time to evaluate and also gives team leverage in negotiations if his performance drastically improves. 

We do not need to see more. Bryce’s ceiling has been reached. He isn’t going to become a franchise QB. Giving him his fifth year would be beyond stupid at this point. 

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6 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

We do not need to see more. Bryce’s ceiling has been reached. He isn’t going to become a franchise QB. Giving him his fifth year would be beyond stupid at this point. 

It's not a massive investment so "beyond stupid" is hyperbolic. It's just generally unnecessary. At this point, the results have been basically very similar. He can elevate his game to moderate game manager levels at his peak and mostly he is a significantly below average NFL QB. He is essentially an upper half NFL backup QB at the moment. 

It's possible he develops eventually. I will never say it's IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen but does anyone honestly think that is likely?

If so, based on what aspects of his 2.5 year career so far? Why does his gameplay look so similar to 2023 when the investments in the offense have been so immense?

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1 hour ago, NAS said:

I think we need to see more but a 5th year option gives you more time to evaluate and also gives team leverage in negotiations if his performance drastically improves. 

you simply cannot commit 2 more years to bryce with the way he is playing.  Too many jobs on the line, too many players would be affected.  And that is exactly what a team is doing if you pick up the 5th, rolling with him for 2 more years.   There has to be a contingency plan

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1 hour ago, NAS said:

I think we need to see more but a 5th year option gives you more time to evaluate and also gives team leverage in negotiations if his performance drastically improves. 

If Tepper is willing to literally set fire to $25m the least he could do is send some my way. 

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17 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Left to right is efficiency per pass past the first read, so yeah obviously Mahomes is far right  

Top to bottom is how often the qb throws past his first read. Fields looks off his first read the most often, while Carson wentz lmao 

another way to read this, top right is spreads the ball around and does well when they do it. 

bottom left is rarely throwing to second or third read, sucking when they try (again, carson)

From what I can tell, Bryce is about league league average on what percentage of the time he throws past his first read, but well below average on how efficient he is. 

Not a great cluster of QBs to be stuck with. Rattler was just benched. 

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I was told he's a franchise QB and we beat Buffalo if he played...you're just hating on Bryce.

*end sarcasm*

Honestly, I support him because he's our QB, but stati, and via the eye test he wasn't worth the investment, or the draft slot. 

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5 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

I was told he's a franchise QB and we beat Buffalo if he played...you're just hating on Bryce.

*end sarcasm*

Honestly, I support him because he's our QB, but stati, and via the eye test he wasn't worth the investment, or the draft slot. 

Honestly, throw investment out of the window. For better or for worse, what we gave up would have to result in a Super Bowl or HOF or MVP or multiple Pro Bowls. 

He was almost always going to massively struggle with living up to cost.

He has also been a massive letdown in terms of draft position, however. Enormously so. Zach Wilson level.

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22 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I get it. It's just hard to wrap your mind around that it's THAT bad and Morgan/Tepper didn't see any reason to bring in any QB competition this offseason. 

Look how they’ve handled the RB competition.  Bringing in a QB that is even remotely competent with an arm not made of overcooked pasta would cause havoc.

Everybody knows when things are bad the most popular guy in town is the back up QB.  Watching this staff have to answer those questions would be funny tho.

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On 10/31/2025 at 6:50 AM, Waldo said:

Yes. That's what you buy on a discount in free agency while the team keeps swinging in the draft and not spend multiple 1st, a starter and more on. 

Also it's year 3 so I have no idea what people are hoping a surge of improvement comes from at this point. It's not coming physically. Maybe he sits and fixes his mechanics after his stint here? Seems like a stretch given why they are the way they are but that's the only route I can guess and even then it's hitting jag QB levels. 

The only way he can bust harder at this point is by the team taking his 5th option and dragging out another 2 years of this crap and still go no where with it. 

 

Exactly. The worst case scenario at this point is he doesn't suck quite bad enough to make the Panthers swallow their pride and admit they made a huge mistake. Bryce is purgatory. We gotta bite the bullet and admit it and move on.

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