Gaulden trying to turn corner from rough transition

[Rubi]

30 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

The game isn't played running around cones, lifting weights, or doing 40 yard dashes. It is played between the hashes in one on one matchups that vary from week to week. Obviously speed and strength matter. But the muscle most important to a free safety is between his ears. Because you see the play unfold in front of you you can anticipate what they are doing and how to respond. So he ran a 4.6 40. If it were 4.4 everyone would be ecstatic. A blink of an eye, a step.  If it was 4.49 we would be talking the next Derwin James or a 4.47 he would be the next Earl Thomas. He isn't. Otherwise his game is physical, aggressive and with attitude. He wasn't paying attention to Colin Jones he was watching Eric Reid and was impressed how he came off the couch and played at such a high level. I hope he does well. If he can be serviceable having him and Reid at safety will be the reincarnation of the bruise brothers. If he struggles we will bring someone in along the way like we did with Reid.

Brushing off the difference between a 4.4 and 4.6  ?? Acceleration, speed and power do matter. It’s the difference between a completion and a pass break up

gaulden tested poorly. Facts are facts. He’s got to somehow win in other ways. Tough uphill road for him I think. 

[panthers55]

7 minutes ago, Rubi said:

Brushing off the difference between a 4.4 and 4.6  ?? Acceleration, speed and power do matter. It’s the difference between a completion and a pass break up

gaulden tested poorly. Facts are facts. He’s got to somehow win in other ways. Tough uphill road for him I think. 

First of all running in shorts is not the same as in full gear. Second, rarely do you run in a straight line unimpeded for 40 yards as a free safety or a receiver unless it is a post route and the free safety sees it develop and can use angles to close the gap. In positional drills Gaulden performed well and he showed quickness and acceleration. That is way more important than flat out speed.  And again it isn't .2 seconds . Compared to Earl Thomas it was .14. 14/100s of a second. Literally one step.  And most time the free safety is help over the top not the primary cover man. If he gets beat he won't be catching back up but then he better be watching film so it isn't a weekly occurrence.

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, Rubi said:

Brushing off the difference between a 4.4 and 4.6  ?? Acceleration, speed and power do matter. It’s the difference between a completion and a pass break up

gaulden tested poorly. Facts are facts. He’s got to somehow win in other ways. Tough uphill road for him I think. 

Yeah, just a subpar 40 is one thing, but when you put it all together, Gaulden proved that he's simply a well below average athlete for an NFL DB.

His 4.61 40 was good for 44th among DBs.

His 30.0" vertical was good for 49th among DBs.

His 119" broad jump was good for 36th among DBs.

His 7.16 3 cone was good for 25th among DBs.

His 4.33 20 yard shuttle was good for 24th among DBs.

His 8 bench reps were 4th worst among all Combine participants.

Put it all together and it paints an ugly picture for NFL caliber athleticism. From a pure athleticism perspective, he had to have been very near the bottom of all DBs invited to the Combine.

[Davidson Deac II]

4 hours ago, Tbe said:

A good player doesn’t need to be hyped. I expect he’ll get the job and be average.

An average NFL safety would be great

[panthers55]

The facts are that none of those measureables matter as much for free safeties like they do for corners.  Comparing all DBs is like lumping TEs and receivers together and comparing them as one group.  They aren't. And neither are safeties and corners. Again safeties have to have good instincts, quickness more than speed, and be around the ball. This is what one site said about him when he was drafted.

http://draftanalyst.com/rashaan-gaulden

Doesn't sound like an unathletic weak player  with poor abilities. Only casual fans thrilled with smoke and mirrors believes combine drills over film. Gettleman loved to laugh at folks quoting combine stats as if they mattered.

[j2sgam]

This is why I  been coming here for 12 years, entertaining AND informative....,

 

I hope the kid flips teh switch, get it inked like Meriman, just handle your poo, Gaulden...,

[Basbear]

Panthers need Gaulden to be a legit Safety AND sign another free safety. 

They also need a full healthy season form, Reid, cause currently, Jones is the top backup at BOTH free & strong.  

[Snake]

It's never good when a player is trying to turn the corner in their second year. Another Hurney bust project.

[07579394]

He worked hard.But the most we need is result.It's about 3 month to go.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, Snake said:

It's never good when a player is trying to turn the corner in their second year. Another Hurney bust project.

Huh? Plenty of players turn the corner in their second year, and some their third.

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is my concern. I'm not a big workout numbers geek, but he tested out really poorly. To me, the workout numbers only really matter when they're outliers or significantly different than expected based on watching a guy play. His numbers were definitely an outlier and in the worst of ways.

He had a pretty good college career, and was arguably the best or second best player on the Vols' defense for whatever that's worth. 

8 hours ago, Toomers said:

Neither is expecting him to suddenly develop in to a starting caliber FS. Or NCB? Or whichever he’s playing this week? 

  Unless a year behind Colin Jones on the depth chart is a “body of work? 

  

Well that's kind of the point. He has been developing for more than a year now, so I wouldn't necessarily call any improvements "sudden," and his body of work from a fan's perspective really began last (late) December. Moreover, I don't think anyone is really expecting anything of him but to play his best when given his now publicized opportunity to start as a safety or corner. The odds may be against him, but there is little reason to bury him in negativity at this point, especially based upon initial reports from the OTAs.

[rayzor]

if he can get his game to come anywhere near touching his level of swagger, we'll be ok. He's definitely got the potential to do the nickel/FS hybrid thing I've heard him being used as so far. If he can get his head in the game I think we'll see that potential realized.

I'm pulling for him. 

[Waldo]

I just dont get the blind push from the team to put it all on Gaulden. Why not sign someone to ay least compete and very possible provide a safety net if this turns out to be a worst case scenario? Best case, Gaulden wins the spot and we have a real backup and not more longshots and a known like Jones who should never see the field outside of special teams. Worst case we still have 2 playable safeties to get through the year. The whole argument about not hurting Gaulden's feeling by bringing in competition is asinine. This is a sport, competition and winning shouldn't be avoided. Even if he flashed at some point last year, which is very debatable, we have a 90 man roster and not bringing in a safety to compete for a wide open spot that is not going to be expensive is unwise and avoidable.

[Lumps]

12 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Actually I didn't argue just pointed out where I disagree with your DB comments saying if you don't draft them high what do you expect. I did agree with your analysis about the WRs.

And if I am a miserable SOB then you are a foul-mouthed ignorant A hole.  

Now all of a sudden where they were drafting is a huge difference when before the draft you were arguing 9v16 is absolutely no different and didn’t matter (and then insulted others who disagreed)

and now this, when the post you quoted said nothing about first round cbs, just the development of the in general which I’d have to agree

bradberry and Norman over a period off a long time especially when he said dbs not cbs so two players, four positions 10 years. Yea that’s bad.

take your meds bro damn

[rhyslloyd]

I don't think the corner he needs to turn is even in sight right now.