What we want to see happen to Rivera probably won't.

[Panthercougar68]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't see any need to make it any worse than it has to be. This isn't a Lane Kiffin situation. It's just time for both parties to go their separate ways. I for one hope and honestly expect it to be an amicable divorce.

I have it in my head that people want Tepper to literally boot Ron out the door and throw his stuff out into the street.

That is not gonna happen. If Tepper does move on it won't be till the offseason and its probably gonna be on decent terms.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Panthercougar68 said:

I have it in my head that people want Tepper to literally boot Ron out the door and throw his stuff out into the street.

That is not gonna happen. If Tepper does move on it won't be till the offseason and its probably gonna be on decent terms.

Honestly, I'd be disappointed if it wasn't. The relationship has ran it's course, but there were certainly some good times to be had. No need to be bitter.

[PootieNunu]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, I'd be disappointed if it wasn't. The relationship has ran it's course, but there were certainly some good times to be had. No need to be bitter.

What else is their to do, Dave Gettleman isnt here anymore. Tepper should call Ron and Hurney in thank them for their contributions and then tell them the team is moving in a different direction, no need to be an ass about it.

[rippadonn]

If we're talking about "winning" how about Tepper use the SB as an example of how officials failed to protect the Panthers QB while protecting every other teams investment "Rodgers, Brady" to a sometimes ridiculous extent.

Before Tepper deals with THAT first there will be no "winning" for the Carolina Panthers, otherwise he's selling dream cakes like JR.

 

[MountaineerChemist10]

IDK, I've compared Ron's head coaching career to other long time coaches who have made the Super Bowl at least once & were eventually fired or resigned after disappointing seasons (i.e. Lovie Smith, Ken Whisenhunt, Tom Coughlin). If Ron finishes with a 7-9 or better, he will be back for 2020. I guarantee it.

Lovie & Da Bears made the SB in '06, but missed the playoffs 5 out of next 6 times afterwards & was fired afterwards.

Whisenhunt made the SB in '08, but just once out of 4 times afterwards. Had two 5-11 seasons during that time as well. Ouchies.

Coughlin did make the SB twice & won both times (THANK GOD!) & the playoffs so many times consecutively , but was fired after 3 consecutive mediocre seasons with the Jags & retired after 4 disappointing ones with Giants.

Tepper does not want to accept "long-term mediocrity" & neither do I. But he's also a big Cam Newton fan. Having a few mediocre seasons after a SB appearance will get any head coach canned, but only if they miss it consecutively and/or with embarrassing records (6-10 or below). 

If Ron finishes with at least a 7-9, he'll be back for his last season. But anything worse, he gone.

[Mvp2014]

18 minutes ago, MountaineerChemist10 said:

IDK, I've compared Ron's head coaching career to other long time coaches who have made the Super Bowl at least once & were eventually fired or resigned after disappointing seasons (i.e. Lovie Smith, Ken Whisenhunt, Tom Coughlin). If Ron finishes with a 7-9 or better, he will be back for 2020. I guarantee it.

Lovie & Da Bears made the SB in '06, but missed the playoffs 5 out of next 6 times afterwards & was fired afterwards.

Whisenhunt made the SB in '08, but just once out of 4 times afterwards. Had two 5-11 seasons during that time as well. Ouchies.

Coughlin did make the SB twice & won both times (THANK GOD!) & the playoffs so many times consecutively , but was fired after 3 consecutive mediocre seasons with the Jags & retired after 4 disappointing ones with Giants.

Tepper does not want to accept "long-term mediocrity" & neither do I. But he's also a big Cam Newton fan. Having a few mediocre seasons after a SB appearance will get any head coach canned, but only if they miss it consecutively and/or with embarrassing records (6-10 or below). 

If Ron finishes with at least a 7-9, he'll be back for his last season. But anything worse, he gone.

no way...hes as good as gone.  b of a will be empty next year with those 2 hacks still running the franchise

[MountaineerChemist10]

25 minutes ago, MountaineerChemist10 said:

IDK, I've compared Ron's head coaching career to other long time coaches who have made the Super Bowl at least once & were eventually fired or resigned after disappointing seasons (i.e. Lovie Smith, Ken Whisenhunt, Tom Coughlin). If Ron finishes with a 7-9 or better, he will be back for 2020. I guarantee it.

Lovie & Da Bears made the SB in '06, but missed the playoffs 5 out of next 6 times afterwards & was fired afterwards.

Whisenhunt made the SB in '08, but just once out of 4 times afterwards. Had two 5-11 seasons during that time as well. Ouchies.

Coughlin did make the SB twice & won both times (THANK GOD!) & the playoffs so many times consecutively , but was fired after 3 consecutive mediocre seasons with the Jags & retired after 4 disappointing ones with Giants.

Tepper does not want to accept "long-term mediocrity" & neither do I. But he's also a big Cam Newton fan. Having a few mediocre seasons after a SB appearance will get any head coach canned, but only if they miss it consecutively and/or with embarrassing records (6-10 or below). 

If Ron finishes with at least a 7-9, he'll be back for his last season. But anything worse, he gone.

Also, Steven Taranto from The Riot Report makes a good point in his article. Ron & Hurney may only be able to come up with average seasons. But with the way the NFL works, if Tepper's going to make his move, he better know what the hell he's doing or we're going to end up with much worse seasons that we're having now.

https://theriotreport.com/david-tepper-be-advised-there-are-fates-worse-than-mediocrity/

[Anybodyhome]

23 minutes ago, MountaineerChemist10 said:

Also, Steven Taranto from The Riot Report makes a good point in his article. Ron & Hurney may only be able to come up with average seasons. But with the way the NFL works, if Tepper's going to make his move, he better know what the hell he's doing or we're going to end up with much worse seasons that we're having now.

https://theriotreport.com/david-tepper-be-advised-there-are-fates-worse-than-mediocrity/

Suggesting that staying with the mediocre status quo is safer than trying to get better clearly lets me know the author doesn't know his audience. David Tepper is a billionaire hedge fund manager and probably has a better grasp of risk/reward than all of our collective minds. He didn't get rich enough to buy an NFL franchise outright by sticking with safe and mediocre.

 

[Sgt Schultz]

Snake's father was correct, the catch being that it doesn't apply when you work for one person.  That one person can fire a coach who is mediocre, good, or even walks on water.  

Marty Schottenheimer was fired in San Diego after a 14-2 season.  Lovie Smith was 10-6 in his last season before being cut loose. Dungy was let go in Tampa after a 9-7 season that culminated in their 4th playoff appearance in 5 years, 3rd in a row.....and they had only been in the playoffs 3 years total before Dungy got there.  I'm sure I am missing some other examples. 

When you don't have an HR department to make sure the paperwork all supports firing somebody for cause, the rules change. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

4 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Tepper likely loses more pocket change in the seat cushions of his corporate jets than it takes to pay Ron Rivera for a season.  

Dave doesn't strike me as a man that says or does anything without a well thought out purpose behind it.

There was no need for Tepper to schedule a news conference and then tell reporters he would not tolerate mediocrity from the team, but he did.

Things on the field have not improved since that news conference.

Ron is as good as gone.

Going with your theory, do you believe Tepper had 'the talk' with Rivera already? Or what point in the season does Rivera lose his job? 

 

I think he lost his job after the ATL game. IF you beat ATL and NO, they still have a chance to make the playoffs. As of now, it's mathematically impossible. Or if it is possible, it's small. 

I don't know what the ceiling was going into this season and what teppers mind set was, and how high he set the bar. Maybe the bar was making the playoffs. If that was it, well, your theory is spot on. Rivera is just playing to audition for other Teams at this point. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

4 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Going with your theory, do you believe Tepper had 'the talk' with Rivera already? Or what point in the season does Rivera lose his job? 

I think he lost his job after the ATL game. IF you beat ATL and NO, they still have a chance to make the playoffs. As of now, it's mathematically impossible. Or if it is possible, it's small. 

I don't know what the ceiling was going into this season and what teppers mind set was, and how high he set the bar. Maybe the bar was making the playoffs. If that was it, well, your theory is spot on. Rivera is just playing to audition for other Teams at this point. 

In Tepper's own mind there may have been a point of no return for Ron and that may have been the Falcons game.

I just don't see the need for an owner to have a talk with his head coach to do better or else at the NFL level.

If Tepper felt the need to do that, chances are he has the wrong head coach.

[GoPanthers123]

At the end of the season it might.  Now it’s 60/40% , add a 10% for every loss going forward.

[ickmule]

7 hours ago, Montsta said:

Unfortunately I agree. Ron will be able to chalk it off as Cam being injured And other BS. 

Yep 

[t96]

7 hours ago, hepcat said:

Stadium is going to be pretty empty if Rivera is back next year

Fixed. Won’t matter who’s at QB, if Rivera’s here the team will suck and the stadium will be empty.