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who are some random panther players who fell into obscurity that you think about time to time


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2 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

 

lmao i was so convinced ziemba was a diamond in the rough back in the day

I used to go with my fraternity brothers to Buffalo Wild Wings in Tiger Town every Sunday to watch NFL games and Ziemba and Neil Caudle (one of Cam's backup QBs) used to sit at the table next to us every week. Ziemba never got hot wings -- always the lemon pepper

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39 minutes ago, t96 said:

Remember Dan Connor? I used to have high hopes for him. Injuries ruined his first stint for us and then he randomly came back in like the middle of 2013 for a few games as a backup. 

 

Also, I still have random thoughts that Melvin White should've been our Malcolm Butler. Ron moved on from him too easily if you ask me.

DC is now a DC (d-coord) for some private college in his home state of Pennsylvania

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1 hour ago, imminent rogaine said:

He had that sick int vs Atlanta! That’s all I remember from him.

Our D in 2013 was elite because of the front 7 for sure, but White I think started most of those games and was very solid. No idea why he couldn't even last as a backup after that but I think he was out of the league in like 2 years...

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1 hour ago, Carl Spackler said:

Ones who popped into my head when I saw the thread: 

Iheanyi Uwaezuoke
Jason Peter (read his book, it's fantastic)
Nick Hayden
Sione Fua
Lee Ziemba
Stefan LeFors
Keary Colbert

Oh God Fua.....we could have drafted his teammate at Stanford who went later in the same draft, Richard sherman

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2 hours ago, top dawg said:

Rod Smart a.k.a. He Hate Me

After being released by the Oakland Raiders, Smart became a personal trainer, before appearing in Don’t Blame The Lettuce.[12] He currently lives in Charlotte, North Carolina and purportedly works as a high school guidance counselor.[13] He also owns his own business, SmartSize.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Smart

 

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